The Change:
Originally posted by Corndog
- Changed the way block power and block technique costs scale
-- Now cheaper at lower levels but escalate more quickly than other skills (extra SP's will be awarded to players who should have them after this change)
The Concerns:
Originally posted by Kayoh
This is literally just saying "fuck intertier parity for the next 5-7 seasons". Any vet teams around now have a massive advantage over every other tier in the game. Pro teams have a massive advantage against everyone but Vet. Journeyman has a massive advantage against Seas/Soph/Rook. This change NEEDS to result in a change in the ladder system because after this season, there isn't going to be a "stay competitive with a team in the tier above you", for AT LEAST 5 more seasons after that.
Originally posted by Rob.
The biggest issue is the short term ramifications. Each new wave of teams that comes into vet is going to be weaker and weaker. This blocking change made no difference in the builds of the current vet teams. So a team like the Stunners has 3 full seasons with a bad ass run blocking line while the newer teams that filter in are at a significant disadvantage. The ladder is going to become a joke.
Originally posted by bhall43
Definitely agree here. Something needs to be done in that regard or you just may as well not play the ladder for another couple seasons.
Originally posted by kaiijy
They should have already built a full reset script for this sort of things. It is a freaking beta, for God's sake.
Originally posted by Stixx
I like most of these changes but like many have mentioned here, this is going to destroy current rookie through seasoned players. The dominate o-linemen builds are not going to filter out until the current journeyman teams have cycled through vet, which means all the teams in lower tiers are going to be outmatched for the next 5-6 seasons.
I wish I wouldn't have retired a lot of my Vet o-line. I would imagine there are going to be people who just sit their current vets out until their current rookie-seasoned team hits vet...then once again, they will be the dominant teams at Vet. This mean that there is a possibility that the next 10 seasons could feature teams with o-linemen that weren't effected by these changes
The Solution:
Originally posted by Stobie
I think a good solution is that we know there were I think like 6 skills that are effected by this change. I am not asking for a full build reset, but what about a 6 skill reset, default all those skills back to base value and return all SP back to the players. That way the 'WHOLE' game is back on the same level of effected skill values.
Originally posted by Corndog
- Changed the way block power and block technique costs scale
-- Now cheaper at lower levels but escalate more quickly than other skills (extra SP's will be awarded to players who should have them after this change)
The Concerns:
Originally posted by Kayoh
This is literally just saying "fuck intertier parity for the next 5-7 seasons". Any vet teams around now have a massive advantage over every other tier in the game. Pro teams have a massive advantage against everyone but Vet. Journeyman has a massive advantage against Seas/Soph/Rook. This change NEEDS to result in a change in the ladder system because after this season, there isn't going to be a "stay competitive with a team in the tier above you", for AT LEAST 5 more seasons after that.
Originally posted by Rob.
The biggest issue is the short term ramifications. Each new wave of teams that comes into vet is going to be weaker and weaker. This blocking change made no difference in the builds of the current vet teams. So a team like the Stunners has 3 full seasons with a bad ass run blocking line while the newer teams that filter in are at a significant disadvantage. The ladder is going to become a joke.
Originally posted by bhall43
Definitely agree here. Something needs to be done in that regard or you just may as well not play the ladder for another couple seasons.
Originally posted by kaiijy
They should have already built a full reset script for this sort of things. It is a freaking beta, for God's sake.
Originally posted by Stixx
I like most of these changes but like many have mentioned here, this is going to destroy current rookie through seasoned players. The dominate o-linemen builds are not going to filter out until the current journeyman teams have cycled through vet, which means all the teams in lower tiers are going to be outmatched for the next 5-6 seasons.
I wish I wouldn't have retired a lot of my Vet o-line. I would imagine there are going to be people who just sit their current vets out until their current rookie-seasoned team hits vet...then once again, they will be the dominant teams at Vet. This mean that there is a possibility that the next 10 seasons could feature teams with o-linemen that weren't effected by these changes
The Solution:
Originally posted by Stobie
I think a good solution is that we know there were I think like 6 skills that are effected by this change. I am not asking for a full build reset, but what about a 6 skill reset, default all those skills back to base value and return all SP back to the players. That way the 'WHOLE' game is back on the same level of effected skill values.
Edited by Rob. on Jan 29, 2015 17:47:30
Edited by Rob. on Jan 29, 2015 17:47:08
