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MileHighShoes
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How much is needed to break 5-6 CB tackles a season at Pro, and Vet level? Mainly looking to be a guy who can consistently fight out a few extra yards by dragging CB's every game even if the tackle isn't broken.
I'm not looking for you to tell me it's not worth it or whatever. I'm just curious how much power running is needed to get there, if it's too much to be worth it on my WR I will decide for myself.
 
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Even with HBs it takes at least 85+ power running to see a consistent tackle break roll in your favor. I don't think it's very plausible with all the skills a WR needs to succeed.
 
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Don't need it to be consistent, just looking to at least force a drag or two against most CB's during a game, is that number really 85?
 
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I tried it on my Slot WR and it was pretty much a fail. I pumped carry awareness and power running and took YAC Attack and hardly noticed a difference.

 
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I've got a receiver with 30 Power Running, 38 carrying awareness, and 42 balance on my team. He's got Bronze YAC Attack, although I can't remember it ever firing. However, with just those skills he does gain an extra yard or two from dragging a cornerback. I don't think he's broken any tackles yet, but WR's don't list that as a stat.

I am a little curious what a build of Gold YAC Attack and Gold Power Thru would do to cornerbacks.

Keep in mind, this was a Seasoned team going up against a Professional team:

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/147904/3064297?player_id=97675

Against fellow Seasoned teams:

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/146332/2825195?player_id=97675
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/146332/2825325?player_id=97675
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/146332/2826434?player_id=97675
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/144917/2451837?player_id=97675

So he does gain an extra yard or two after contact.
 
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I've built a lot of receivers, some very experimental builds. It's not possible to get the receiving skills necessary to make a catch, the physicals necessary to get open, and still have points for power/elusive running. You can try but the build will most likely drop a lot of balls, have a hard time getting open and not break enough tackles to be worth while. Leave the truck stick to the power backs.

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Originally posted by Absolut Zero
I've got a receiver with 30 Power Running, 38 carrying awareness, and 42 balance on my team. He's got Bronze YAC Attack, although I can't remember it ever firing. However, with just those skills he does gain an extra yard or two from dragging a cornerback. I don't think he's broken any tackles yet, but WR's don't list that as a stat.


Broken tackles are listed for WR's after they've had one.
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/65699
Edited by Big_B on Jan 29, 2015 15:05:57
 
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Originally posted by Absolut Zero
I've got a receiver with 30 Power Running, 38 carrying awareness, and 42 balance on my team. He's got Bronze YAC Attack, although I can't remember it ever firing. However, with just those skills he does gain an extra yard or two from dragging a cornerback. I don't think he's broken any tackles yet, but WR's don't list that as a stat.

I am a little curious what a build of Gold YAC Attack and Gold Power Thru would do to cornerbacks.

Keep in mind, this was a Seasoned team going up against a Professional team:

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/147904/3064297?player_id=97675

Against fellow Seasoned teams:

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/146332/2825195?player_id=97675
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/146332/2825325?player_id=97675
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/146332/2826434?player_id=97675
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/144917/2451837?player_id=97675

So he does gain an extra yard or two after contact.


Thank you for replying and actually putting numbers out here rather than just wasting my time by saying it can't be done.

I have a S* that already can catch and has a full season of SP's left and enough to get power running up to 45 if I leave sprinting and quickness at 70 instead of taking them to 80 like I planned. I wish more people would give me numbers and whether it accomplished the goal outlined in OP rather than just positing some opinion or not posting up numbers and results.

I'm not looking for crazy broken tackles, the quoted post is exactly what I'm looking for, a dot who can drag CB's who attempt tackles and break 5-6 tackles in a 30 game Season. If you're not going to read the OP, please don't respond.
 
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Originally posted by Big_B
Broken tackles are listed for WR's after they've had one.
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/65699


Unless that WR has ever done any Special teams work. In that case special teams will replace fumbles, and broken tackles, regardless of if that player has broken tackles or fumbles.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/85481
 
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Well ideally a WR wouldn't be doing return work. Anyhow, 45 power running at Veteran is nothing. You're much better served picking up that extra quickness and footwork. It will lead to a lot more space being created resulting in many more pass targets. As opposed to getting a few extra broken tackles in a season.


If you want YAC get balance and quickness to stay on your feet and get moving after a pass.
 
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Literally not curious about balance, footwork, quickness, etc. I'm familiar with what they have to offer. All I'm curious about is if 45 power running will get consistent drags on CB's and 5-6 broken tackles in a season at pro and vet level. All I want to know is if that is enough to achieve those goals or not. I do not have any interest in hearing anything else in this particular thread. Please stop changing the subject. Either 45 PR will or will not achieve those goals. Also the only stat's that will be decreased in place of power running are sprinting and quickness, everything else will end at the same places as my original end build. It's literally 5 points of sprinting and 10 points of quickness that will be exchanged for 45 power running and 10 extra points in CIT. Everything else - Footwork, Route Elusiveness, RGrip, RConsistency, Heart, Toughness, Diving, and Snap Reaction will still be going up to the same places they normally would.

Please keep the discussion on topic. The question is, how much power running is required to consistently drag CB's and break 5-6 tackles a season in pro and veteran levels. If you have ANYTHING else thati s unrelated to this goal I DO NOT want to hear it. Do you get it now? IF I was wishing to discuss those topics, OP would've been broader and the topic name probably wouldnt be "power running WR."
 
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Here are my 2 recently retired Power YAC WR's
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/91520
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/91736

They had 51 and 56 power respectively. I planned for them to finish at 78. They are fun to watch when they break a tackle. I couldn't rely on their constant under 50% reception rate. There just wasn't enough points to go around.

A Power YAC WR is possible and can be effective, but only as an S*. I have a S* build prototype that I will be using with my 2nd team whenever that may be.
 
Big_B
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You're awful testy aren't you?

Considering I've broken 5-6 tackles with no points in power or elusive running obviously it's possibly. 45 power consistently dragging veteran CBs? Nope. Half backs with a head of steam and 70 power running don't consistently drag CBs, let alone a slow receiver who just caught a ball.
Edited by Big_B on Jan 29, 2015 19:14:32
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Edited by Big_B on Jan 29, 2015 19:11:18
Edited by Big_B on Jan 29, 2015 19:08:23
 
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Originally posted by DeeVee8
Even with HBs it takes at least 85+ power running to see a consistent tackle break roll in your favor. I don't think it's very plausible with all the skills a WR needs to succeed.


Against corners, you definitely do not need 85+.
 


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