I just don't get it. Does your league games count also?
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so if yo were to lose every league game but win every ladder game you still would not reach the top of the ladder?
There is a hidden ELO rating based on your wins and losses.
#10 team loses to #1 team....and the #1 team gains very little...and the #10 team loses very little.
#10 team beats #1 team...and the #10 team should get a decent (unseen) boost to the ELO; while the #1 team may take a big hit to theirs.
In league you're playing lots of decent teams - and lots of crap teams. If you lose to the ones rated below you in the ladder it can hurt pretty bad
#10 team loses to #1 team....and the #1 team gains very little...and the #10 team loses very little.
#10 team beats #1 team...and the #10 team should get a decent (unseen) boost to the ELO; while the #1 team may take a big hit to theirs.
In league you're playing lots of decent teams - and lots of crap teams. If you lose to the ones rated below you in the ladder it can hurt pretty bad
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Originally posted by HayRow
thought playoffs werent supposed to count
They definitely count
thought playoffs werent supposed to count
They definitely count
Yes. Playoffs count. It is possible they count at some reduced rate or something -- but definitely count
Originally posted by TxSteve
There is a hidden ELO rating based on your wins and losses.
#10 team loses to #1 team....and the #1 team gains very little...and the #10 team loses very little.
#10 team beats #1 team...and the #10 team should get a decent (unseen) boost to the ELO; while the #1 team may take a big hit to theirs.
In league you're playing lots of decent teams - and lots of crap teams. If you lose to the ones rated below you in the ladder it can hurt pretty bad
Yep, think of it this way (and Niboris is probably going to correct any inaccuracy I have here):
Your rating change is dependent on the rating difference between the two opponents. The larger the rating difference, the more there is to gain for the lower ranked opponent.
Using hypothetical numbers...
Two teams with identical ELO rating face each other. They are assumed to each have a 50% chance of winning because they have the same ELO rating. The winner gains a normal 25 points in ELO rating.
Two teams with a difference of 100 ELO rating face each other. The higher rated team is expected to win. If they win, they only gain 15 ELO rating. If the lower rated team wins, they gain 35 ELO rating, heavily rewarded because they were unexpected to win.
The more expected a team is to win, the less they gain in ELO for winning.
You never lose ELO rating, you just don't gain any if you lose.
There is a hidden ELO rating based on your wins and losses.
#10 team loses to #1 team....and the #1 team gains very little...and the #10 team loses very little.
#10 team beats #1 team...and the #10 team should get a decent (unseen) boost to the ELO; while the #1 team may take a big hit to theirs.
In league you're playing lots of decent teams - and lots of crap teams. If you lose to the ones rated below you in the ladder it can hurt pretty bad
Yep, think of it this way (and Niboris is probably going to correct any inaccuracy I have here):
Your rating change is dependent on the rating difference between the two opponents. The larger the rating difference, the more there is to gain for the lower ranked opponent.
Using hypothetical numbers...
Two teams with identical ELO rating face each other. They are assumed to each have a 50% chance of winning because they have the same ELO rating. The winner gains a normal 25 points in ELO rating.
Two teams with a difference of 100 ELO rating face each other. The higher rated team is expected to win. If they win, they only gain 15 ELO rating. If the lower rated team wins, they gain 35 ELO rating, heavily rewarded because they were unexpected to win.
The more expected a team is to win, the less they gain in ELO for winning.
You never lose ELO rating, you just don't gain any if you lose.
Edited by InRomoWeTrust on Oct 10, 2014 10:51:25
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MMA overtook the 4th spot in ladder because we won our playoff game, and the Hellraisers lost theirs so we switched.
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Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
(and Niboris is probably going to correct any inaccuracy I have here):
Who me? *innocent whistle*
Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
You never lose ELO rating, you just don't gain any if you lose.
Everything else was right! But, the team that loses will lose the exact same amount of ELO rating that the winning team won. So losing to a much better team only hurts your rating by a few points, and losing to a much worse team hurts your rating by quite a bit.
This is why teams can't go get massively high ELO ratings - the higher up above the rest of the competition they get, the more it hurts every time they lose. And EVERYONE loses once in a while.
(and Niboris is probably going to correct any inaccuracy I have here):
Who me? *innocent whistle*
Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
You never lose ELO rating, you just don't gain any if you lose.
Everything else was right! But, the team that loses will lose the exact same amount of ELO rating that the winning team won. So losing to a much better team only hurts your rating by a few points, and losing to a much worse team hurts your rating by quite a bit.
This is why teams can't go get massively high ELO ratings - the higher up above the rest of the competition they get, the more it hurts every time they lose. And EVERYONE loses once in a while.
Right -- if you never lost...then it would be almost impossible to catch teams a tier ahead
Originally posted by NiborRis
Everything else was right! But, the team that loses will lose the exact same amount of ELO rating that the winning team won. So losing to a much better team only hurts your rating by a few points, and losing to a much worse team hurts your rating by quite a bit.
This is why teams can't go get massively high ELO ratings - the higher up above the rest of the competition they get, the more it hurts every time they lose. And EVERYONE loses once in a while.
You know I thought this but then I saw an ELO graph from college football's pre-playoffs as there was a component of the BCS that used ELO. It through me for a loop and I never recovered.
Everything else was right! But, the team that loses will lose the exact same amount of ELO rating that the winning team won. So losing to a much better team only hurts your rating by a few points, and losing to a much worse team hurts your rating by quite a bit.
This is why teams can't go get massively high ELO ratings - the higher up above the rest of the competition they get, the more it hurts every time they lose. And EVERYONE loses once in a while.
You know I thought this but then I saw an ELO graph from college football's pre-playoffs as there was a component of the BCS that used ELO. It through me for a loop and I never recovered.
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Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
Yep, think of it this way (and Niboris is probably going to correct any inaccuracy I have here):
Your rating change is dependent on the rating difference between the two opponents. The larger the rating difference, the more there is to gain for the lower ranked opponent.
Using hypothetical numbers...
Two teams with identical ELO rating face each other. They are assumed to each have a 50% chance of winning because they have the same ELO rating. The winner gains a normal 25 points in ELO rating.
Two teams with a difference of 100 ELO rating face each other. The higher rated team is expected to win. If they win, they only gain 15 ELO rating. If the lower rated team wins, they gain 35 ELO rating, heavily rewarded because they were unexpected to win.
The more expected a team is to win, the less they gain in ELO for winning.
You never lose ELO rating, you just don't gain any if you lose.
So its possible the #1 team can win and still drop?
Yep, think of it this way (and Niboris is probably going to correct any inaccuracy I have here):
Your rating change is dependent on the rating difference between the two opponents. The larger the rating difference, the more there is to gain for the lower ranked opponent.
Using hypothetical numbers...
Two teams with identical ELO rating face each other. They are assumed to each have a 50% chance of winning because they have the same ELO rating. The winner gains a normal 25 points in ELO rating.
Two teams with a difference of 100 ELO rating face each other. The higher rated team is expected to win. If they win, they only gain 15 ELO rating. If the lower rated team wins, they gain 35 ELO rating, heavily rewarded because they were unexpected to win.
The more expected a team is to win, the less they gain in ELO for winning.
You never lose ELO rating, you just don't gain any if you lose.
So its possible the #1 team can win and still drop?
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