Warrior General Games

Eisenhower League: http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/league/64

3-team-tie for Alpha (8-6):
Drunken Potato Farmers: 321 points allowed
Tampa Bay Tuskenraiders: 326 points allowed
Valhalla Invaders: 244 points allowed

Why are the Farmers making the playoffs? To this point I assumed, that in a 3-way-tie the points allowed would be the tie breaker. All teams are from the same division, so maybe the head-to-head record wasn’t skipped like usual. That would make sense. If you only look at the games between the teams, the records are:
Drunken Potato Farmers: 3-1
Tampa Bay Tuskenraiders: 2-2
Valhalla Invaders: 1-3

It would be nice to know, how tiebreaking really works in GLB 2...

Looks like probably head to head.

Why were people assuming h2h was skipped?

Originally posted by Corndog
Looks like probably head to head.

Why were people assuming h2h was skipped?

Originally posted by Evil Sports Agent
It would be nice to know, how tiebreaking really works in GLB 2...

People assume because there have not been any clear definition on how it works. At this point we have speculation on past events and some comments by admins saying like GLB1 etc. just put in the FAQ section and call it a day and say goodby to the assumptions!

Originally posted by Corndog
Looks like probably head to head.

Why were people assuming h2h was skipped?

I don't disagree with the outcome you put yourself in a wildcard situation but....

If the Warsaw Wrath won Alpha division and we (Dakota) own the tiebreaker (H2H) over Music City how did we miss the playoffs at 11-3?
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/league/2

You draw on points allowed and they scored more points through the season.

Originally posted by kaiijy
You draw on points allowed and they scored more points through the season.

I get that...

My problem is that H2H was skipped in Tiger League to allow MCM to make the playoffs (Dakota beat them in the regular season)
however in Madison
H2H was was used to make VS the wild card over Alpine Affineurs (Alpine had better points allowed by alot)

Both are three way ties involving 1 needing to be a division winner... so what gives?

Originally posted by william78
I get that...

My problem is that H2H was skipped in Tiger League to allow MCM to make the playoffs (Dakota beat them in the regular season)
however in Madison
H2H was was used to make VS the wild card over Alpine Affineurs


So what gives?

I saw that in Tiger, too. I think there was the situation that two teams allowed the same amout of points. So H2H was skipped because the three teams were not from the same division and points allowed was skipped because two of three teams were tied. So points scored was the tiebreaker. I might make a separate thread about that.

Originally posted by Corndog
Why were people assuming h2h was skipped?
Happened in the past a lot. Actually, I havent seen a 3+-team-tie were H2H was the tiebreaker...

Maybe h2h decides division winners and PA wildcard? Grasping at straws here

Originally posted by mrm708
Maybe h2h decides division winners and PA wildcard? Grasping at straws here

I think H2H only works, when all teams played the same amount of games against each other. Meaning only all teams from the same division or all teams from different division. Maybe a 6-team-tie with 2 teams from each division would work as well, but not sure.

Originally posted by mrm708
Maybe h2h decides division winners and PA wildcard? Grasping at straws here

Can't be , if it decided the wildcard Dakota would be in and Alpine would be out (Both are out)
If its points it should be Alpine and MCM.

Only asking for consistency in the playoff tiebreakers; well would like an explanation.

Originally posted by Evil Sports Agent

Happened in the past a lot. Actually, I havent seen a 3+-team-tie were H2H was the tiebreaker...

Take a look at Madison this season:
Alpine Affineurs, Victorious Secret, and Texas A&M all tied at 10-4.

Points Allowed:
Alpine : 237
Texas A&M: 266
Victorious: 299

Texas A&M won the division apparently due to Division Record; VS beat Alpine twice and was awarded the wildcard. (VS does not win any other tiebreakers)

Originally posted by william78
Can't be , if it decided the wildcard Dakota would be in and Alpine would be out (Both are out)
If its points it should be Alpine and MCM.

Only asking for consistency in the playoff tiebreakers; well would like an explanation.

I am pretty sure Madison (Alpine) was decided by H2H (A&M 3-1, VS 2-2, Alpine 1-3) and Tiger (Dakota) was decided by points for because Music City and Dakota were tied at points against. This would be very funny (if you have no connection with Dakota), because, if they had given up a point more (or less), they would be in the playoffs.

Originally posted by Evil Sports Agent

Happened in the past a lot. Actually, I havent seen a 3+-team-tie were H2H was the tiebreaker...

Originally posted by william78
Take a look at Madison this season:
Alpine Affineurs, Victorious Secret, and Texas A&M all tied at 10-4.

Points Allowed:
Alpine : 237
Texas A&M: 266
Victorious: 299

Texas A&M won the division apparently due to Division Record; VS beat Alpine twice and was awarded the wildcard. (VS does not win any other tiebreakers)


I meant till this season. It seems like, it happened twice (at least) this time.

Originally posted by Evil Sports Agent
I am pretty sure Madison (Alpine) was decided by H2H (A&M 3-1, VS 2-2, Alpine 1-3) and Tiger (Dakota) was decided by points for because Music City and Dakota were tied at points against. This would be very funny (if you have no connection with Dakota), because, if they had given up a point more (or less), they would be in the playoffs.

I get what you are saying, its the first logical explanation I've seen. Though that explanation if its how it was implemented would actually be worse to me than "oops" because its goofy to have H2H against the wildcard and miss. No issue with MCM and Warsaw, as a matter of fact had MCM won the division I'd be fine with that. However.... I don't think that is a particularly good system. Nor one that is posted (leading to too much conjecture).

I won't hook thread because its posted already in my suggestion but strictly points isn't a great system since it rewards already weaker divisions (again I have no issue with MCM and Warsaw making it.. but just in general). - IE if you have a CPU team in your division you are likely to shut them out twice a season and score a ton of points.

Why I prefer quality wins or net differential in head to head matchups.

Above all while keeping the game mechanics secret I get (so that people don't min / max)... I see zero benefit to doing so in the case of the tiebreakers.