Strange that the rankings have Northbrook @ 5 considering we're this late in the season and they are still undefeated. Arguably the best team either conference.
Originally posted by aprjem
I see that score for our game... QUIT JOBBING THE MATCHUPS!!!
Just playing. Good luck man!
I see that score for our game... QUIT JOBBING THE MATCHUPS!!!
Just playing. Good luck man!
Originally posted by RufusBrutal
Strange that the rankings have Northbrook @ 5 considering we're this late in the season and they are still undefeated. Arguably the best team either conference.
They are the top team in my book as well. Hoping to make a game of it with my WolfPack tomorrow.
this script takes the Offensive ranking, Defensive Ranking, & SOS into account.
Strange that the rankings have Northbrook @ 5 considering we're this late in the season and they are still undefeated. Arguably the best team either conference.
They are the top team in my book as well. Hoping to make a game of it with my WolfPack tomorrow.
this script takes the Offensive ranking, Defensive Ranking, & SOS into account.
GG Spartans, big FAIL by my WolfPack 
Rank ... OFF ... DEF ... S.o.S. ........ W-L-T Team
1.. ........ 2 ........ 1 ........ 0.434 ........ 14-0.... Dexter's Dark Passengers
2.. ........ 3 ........ 3 ........ 0.490 ........ 12-2.... Deep Fried Crunchy Frogs
3.. ........ 9 ........ 4 ........ 0.485 ........ 14-0.... Northbrook Spartans
4.. ........ 1 ........ 6 ........ 0.444 ........ 13-1.... Blatz Beer Barbarians
5.. ........ 4 ........ 8 ........ 0.505 ........ 12-2.... Southside Green Hornets
6.. ........ 6 ........ 7 ........ 0.515 ........ 11-3.... ACS Relayers
7.. ........ 5 ........ 2 ........ 0.474 ........ 10-4.... The Durruti Column
8.. ........ 7 ........ 9 ........ 0.469 ........ 11-3.... Landfill Gulls
9.. ........ 8 ........ 5 ........ 0.429 ........ 12-2.... Vancouver WolfPack
10 ...... 18 ...... 12 ........ 0.515 ........ 8-6...... The Panda Petting Zoo
11 ...... 10 ...... 13 ........ 0.459 ........ 9-5...... German-American Evil Rams
12 ...... 16 ...... 15 ........ 0.520 ........ 9-5...... Niagara Purple Eagles
13 ...... 15 ...... 10 ........ 0.474 ........ 8-6...... UWEC Blugold
14 ...... 11 ...... 18 ........ 0.520 ........ 8-6...... YOU'RE DEAD TO ME
15 ...... 12 ...... 11 ........ 0.449 ........ 8-6...... Calgary Cougars
16 ...... 14 ...... 16 ........ 0.500 ........ 6-8...... Bayou Bombers
17 ...... 19 ...... 20 ........ 0.490 ........ 7-7...... Long Island Sound
18 ...... 13 ...... 21 ........ 0.515 ........ 7-7...... White Devils
19 ...... 22 ...... 14 ........ 0.582 ........ 4-10.... Casual Merkins
20 ...... 17 ...... 22 ........ 0.495 ........ 6-8...... Yukon Badgers
21 ...... 20 ...... 26 ........ 0.485 ........ 6-8...... ENMU Greyhounds
22 ...... 27 ...... 27 ........ 0.500 ........ 6-8...... Fulham Bears Billy The Badger
22 ...... 21 ...... 19 ........ 0.505 ........ 4-10.... Cool Runnings
22 ...... 23 ...... 23 ........ 0.592 ........ 2-12.... Baylor Gang
25 ...... 25 ...... 17 ........ 0.551 ........ 3-11.... The Lahti Factory
26 ...... 26 ...... 24 ........ 0.459 ........ 5-9...... Mojo Futures
27 ...... 24 ...... 25 ........ 0.480 ........ 4-10.... West Tampa Warriors
28 ...... 28 ...... 30 ........ 0.520 ........ 2-12.... Pacific Titans
29 ...... 31 ...... 28 ........ 0.520 ........ 1-13.... Angola Lifers
30 ...... 32 ...... 32 ........ 0.638 ........ 0-14.... Sid's Saints
31 ...... 29 ...... 29 ........ 0.485 ........ 1-13.... Sic Semper Tyrannis
32 ...... 30 ...... 31 ........ 0.500 ........ 1-13.... S.T.F.U. Prisoners of War
NEXT WEEK'S MATCHUPS
Exp Score Matchup
195 - 0 Dexter's Dark Passengers (14-0) def. Mojo Futures (5-9)
37 - 9 Deep Fried Crunchy Frogs (12-2) def. Landfill Gulls (11-3)
241 - 0 ACS Relayers (11-3) def. S.T.F.U. Prisoners of War (1-13)
32 - 6 The Durruti Column (10-4) def. UWEC Blugold (8-6)
136 - 10 German-American Evil Rams (9-5) def. West Tampa Warriors (4-10)
77 - 32 Long Island Sound (7-7) def. ENMU Greyhounds (6-8)
123 - 3 Bayou Bombers (6-8) def. Sic Semper Tyrannis (1-13)
23 - 13 Pacific Titans (2-12) def. Angola Lifers (1-13)
90 - 6 Northbrook Spartans (14-0) def. Yukon Badgers (6-8)
47 - 12 Blatz Beer Barbarians (13-1) def. Calgary Cougars (8-6)
31 - 6 Vancouver WolfPack (12-2) def. The Panda Petting Zoo (8-6)
68 - 6 Southside Green Hornets (12-2) def. The Lahti Factory (3-11)
51 - 32 Niagara Purple Eagles (9-5) def. White Devils (7-7)
56 - 20 YOU'RE DEAD TO ME (8-6) def. Cool Runnings (4-10)
48 - 7 Casual Merkins (4-10) def. Fulham Bears Billy The Badger (6-8)
71 - 0 Baylor Gang (2-12) def. Sid's Saints (0-14)
Head-to-Head Fantasy matchup
Exp Score Matchup
15 - 0 Dexter's Dark Passengers (14-0) def. Northbrook Spartans (14-0)
Rank ... OFF ... DEF ... S.o.S. ........ W-L-T Team
1.. ........ 2 ........ 1 ........ 0.434 ........ 14-0.... Dexter's Dark Passengers
2.. ........ 3 ........ 3 ........ 0.490 ........ 12-2.... Deep Fried Crunchy Frogs
3.. ........ 9 ........ 4 ........ 0.485 ........ 14-0.... Northbrook Spartans
4.. ........ 1 ........ 6 ........ 0.444 ........ 13-1.... Blatz Beer Barbarians
5.. ........ 4 ........ 8 ........ 0.505 ........ 12-2.... Southside Green Hornets
6.. ........ 6 ........ 7 ........ 0.515 ........ 11-3.... ACS Relayers
7.. ........ 5 ........ 2 ........ 0.474 ........ 10-4.... The Durruti Column
8.. ........ 7 ........ 9 ........ 0.469 ........ 11-3.... Landfill Gulls
9.. ........ 8 ........ 5 ........ 0.429 ........ 12-2.... Vancouver WolfPack
10 ...... 18 ...... 12 ........ 0.515 ........ 8-6...... The Panda Petting Zoo
11 ...... 10 ...... 13 ........ 0.459 ........ 9-5...... German-American Evil Rams
12 ...... 16 ...... 15 ........ 0.520 ........ 9-5...... Niagara Purple Eagles
13 ...... 15 ...... 10 ........ 0.474 ........ 8-6...... UWEC Blugold
14 ...... 11 ...... 18 ........ 0.520 ........ 8-6...... YOU'RE DEAD TO ME
15 ...... 12 ...... 11 ........ 0.449 ........ 8-6...... Calgary Cougars
16 ...... 14 ...... 16 ........ 0.500 ........ 6-8...... Bayou Bombers
17 ...... 19 ...... 20 ........ 0.490 ........ 7-7...... Long Island Sound
18 ...... 13 ...... 21 ........ 0.515 ........ 7-7...... White Devils
19 ...... 22 ...... 14 ........ 0.582 ........ 4-10.... Casual Merkins
20 ...... 17 ...... 22 ........ 0.495 ........ 6-8...... Yukon Badgers
21 ...... 20 ...... 26 ........ 0.485 ........ 6-8...... ENMU Greyhounds
22 ...... 27 ...... 27 ........ 0.500 ........ 6-8...... Fulham Bears Billy The Badger
22 ...... 21 ...... 19 ........ 0.505 ........ 4-10.... Cool Runnings
22 ...... 23 ...... 23 ........ 0.592 ........ 2-12.... Baylor Gang
25 ...... 25 ...... 17 ........ 0.551 ........ 3-11.... The Lahti Factory
26 ...... 26 ...... 24 ........ 0.459 ........ 5-9...... Mojo Futures
27 ...... 24 ...... 25 ........ 0.480 ........ 4-10.... West Tampa Warriors
28 ...... 28 ...... 30 ........ 0.520 ........ 2-12.... Pacific Titans
29 ...... 31 ...... 28 ........ 0.520 ........ 1-13.... Angola Lifers
30 ...... 32 ...... 32 ........ 0.638 ........ 0-14.... Sid's Saints
31 ...... 29 ...... 29 ........ 0.485 ........ 1-13.... Sic Semper Tyrannis
32 ...... 30 ...... 31 ........ 0.500 ........ 1-13.... S.T.F.U. Prisoners of War
NEXT WEEK'S MATCHUPS
Exp Score Matchup
195 - 0 Dexter's Dark Passengers (14-0) def. Mojo Futures (5-9)
37 - 9 Deep Fried Crunchy Frogs (12-2) def. Landfill Gulls (11-3)
241 - 0 ACS Relayers (11-3) def. S.T.F.U. Prisoners of War (1-13)
32 - 6 The Durruti Column (10-4) def. UWEC Blugold (8-6)
136 - 10 German-American Evil Rams (9-5) def. West Tampa Warriors (4-10)
77 - 32 Long Island Sound (7-7) def. ENMU Greyhounds (6-8)
123 - 3 Bayou Bombers (6-8) def. Sic Semper Tyrannis (1-13)
23 - 13 Pacific Titans (2-12) def. Angola Lifers (1-13)
90 - 6 Northbrook Spartans (14-0) def. Yukon Badgers (6-8)
47 - 12 Blatz Beer Barbarians (13-1) def. Calgary Cougars (8-6)
31 - 6 Vancouver WolfPack (12-2) def. The Panda Petting Zoo (8-6)
68 - 6 Southside Green Hornets (12-2) def. The Lahti Factory (3-11)
51 - 32 Niagara Purple Eagles (9-5) def. White Devils (7-7)
56 - 20 YOU'RE DEAD TO ME (8-6) def. Cool Runnings (4-10)
48 - 7 Casual Merkins (4-10) def. Fulham Bears Billy The Badger (6-8)
71 - 0 Baylor Gang (2-12) def. Sid's Saints (0-14)
Head-to-Head Fantasy matchup
Exp Score Matchup
15 - 0 Dexter's Dark Passengers (14-0) def. Northbrook Spartans (14-0)
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Wtf CPU teams? Imo it's unacceptable for these CPU teams to be knocking off quality human owned squads. GLB sticking it to the paying customer.
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This CPU thing is a joke. We just beat a CPU team 54-0 but only scored 2 offensive TD's. We're not that bad and they're not that good, are they???? This is occurring all too regularly for my liking.
Rank ... OFF ... DEF ... S.o.S. ........ W-L-T Team
1.. ........ 2 ........ 1 ........ 0.431 ........ 15-0.... Dexter's Dark Passengers
2.. ........ 3 ........ 3 ........ 0.511 ........ 13-2.... Deep Fried Crunchy Frogs
3.. ........ 9 ........ 4 ........ 0.480 ........ 15-0.... Northbrook Spartans
4.. ........ 1 ........ 6 ........ 0.449 ........ 14-1.... Blatz Beer Barbarians
5.. ........ 4 ........ 8 ........ 0.484 ........ 13-2.... Southside Green Hornets
6.. ........ 6 ........ 7 ........ 0.484 ........ 12-3.... ACS Relayers
7.. ........ 5 ........ 2 ........ 0.484 ........ 11-4.... The Durruti Column
8.. ........ 7 ...... 10 ........ 0.498 ........ 11-4.... Landfill Gulls
9.. ........ 8 ........ 5 ........ 0.436 ........ 13-2.... Vancouver WolfPack
10 ...... 10 ...... 13 ........ 0.444 ........ 10-5.... German-American Evil Rams
11 ...... 19 ...... 11 ........ 0.538 ........ 8-7...... The Panda Petting Zoo
12 ...... 15 ........ 9 ........ 0.493 ........ 8-7...... UWEC Blugold
13 ...... 16 ...... 16 ........ 0.520 ........ 9-6...... Niagara Purple Eagles
14 ...... 11 ...... 18 ........ 0.502 ........ 9-6...... YOU'RE DEAD TO ME
15 ...... 14 ...... 15 ........ 0.476 ........ 7-8...... Bayou Bombers
16 ...... 12 ...... 12 ........ 0.480 ........ 8-7...... Calgary Cougars
17 ...... 17 ...... 20 ........ 0.480 ........ 8-7...... Long Island Sound
18 ...... 13 ...... 21 ........ 0.520 ........ 8-7...... White Devils
19 ...... 23 ...... 14 ........ 0.564 ........ 5-10.... Casual Merkins
20 ...... 18 ...... 22 ........ 0.533 ........ 6-9...... Yukon Badgers
21 ...... 22 ...... 19 ........ 0.511 ........ 4-11.... Cool Runnings
21 ...... 25 ...... 17 ........ 0.573 ........ 3-12.... The Lahti Factory
21 ...... 21 ...... 23 ........ 0.547 ........ 3-12.... Baylor Gang
24 ...... 27 ...... 28 ........ 0.489 ........ 6-9...... Fulham Bears Billy The Badger
25 ...... 20 ...... 26 ........ 0.493 ........ 6-9...... ENMU Greyhounds
26 ...... 26 ...... 24 ........ 0.498 ........ 5-10.... Mojo Futures
27 ...... 24 ...... 25 ........ 0.493 ........ 4-11.... West Tampa Warriors
28 ...... 28 ...... 30 ........ 0.484 ........ 3-12.... Pacific Titans
29 ...... 31 ...... 27 ........ 0.498 ........ 1-14.... Angola Lifers
30 ...... 32 ...... 32 ........ 0.604 ........ 0-15.... Sid's Saints
31 ...... 29 ...... 29 ........ 0.480 ........ 1-14.... Sic Semper Tyrannis
32 ...... 30 ...... 31 ........ 0.520 ........ 1-14.... S.T.F.U. Prisoners of War
NEXT WEEK'S MATCHUPS
Exp Score Matchup
248 - 0 Dexter's Dark Passengers (15-0) def. West Tampa Warriors (4-11)
255 - 0 Deep Fried Crunchy Frogs (13-2) def. Sic Semper Tyrannis (1-14)
37 - 16 ACS Relayers (12-3) def. German-American Evil Rams (10-5)
255 - 0 The Durruti Column (11-4) def. S.T.F.U. Prisoners of War (1-14)
171 - 0 Landfill Gulls (11-4) def. Angola Lifers (1-14)
104 - 10 Long Island Sound (8-7) def. Pacific Titans (3-12)
91 - 12 UWEC Blugold (8-7) def. ENMU Greyhounds (6-9)
92 - 8 Bayou Bombers (7-8) def. Mojo Futures (5-10)
21 - 12 Northbrook Spartans (15-0) def. Southside Green Hornets (13-2)
22 - 16 Blatz Beer Barbarians (14-1) def. Vancouver WolfPack (13-2)
89 - 8 Niagara Purple Eagles (9-6) def. Fulham Bears Billy The Badger (6-9)
42 - 27 Calgary Cougars (8-7) def. YOU'RE DEAD TO ME (9-6)
46 - 15 The Panda Petting Zoo (8-7) def. Yukon Badgers (6-9)
44 - 31 White Devils (8-7) def. Cool Runnings (4-11)
39 - 13 Casual Merkins (5-10) def. Baylor Gang (3-12)
56 - 0 The Lahti Factory (3-12) def. Sid's Saints (0-15)
1.. ........ 2 ........ 1 ........ 0.431 ........ 15-0.... Dexter's Dark Passengers
2.. ........ 3 ........ 3 ........ 0.511 ........ 13-2.... Deep Fried Crunchy Frogs
3.. ........ 9 ........ 4 ........ 0.480 ........ 15-0.... Northbrook Spartans
4.. ........ 1 ........ 6 ........ 0.449 ........ 14-1.... Blatz Beer Barbarians
5.. ........ 4 ........ 8 ........ 0.484 ........ 13-2.... Southside Green Hornets
6.. ........ 6 ........ 7 ........ 0.484 ........ 12-3.... ACS Relayers
7.. ........ 5 ........ 2 ........ 0.484 ........ 11-4.... The Durruti Column
8.. ........ 7 ...... 10 ........ 0.498 ........ 11-4.... Landfill Gulls
9.. ........ 8 ........ 5 ........ 0.436 ........ 13-2.... Vancouver WolfPack
10 ...... 10 ...... 13 ........ 0.444 ........ 10-5.... German-American Evil Rams
11 ...... 19 ...... 11 ........ 0.538 ........ 8-7...... The Panda Petting Zoo
12 ...... 15 ........ 9 ........ 0.493 ........ 8-7...... UWEC Blugold
13 ...... 16 ...... 16 ........ 0.520 ........ 9-6...... Niagara Purple Eagles
14 ...... 11 ...... 18 ........ 0.502 ........ 9-6...... YOU'RE DEAD TO ME
15 ...... 14 ...... 15 ........ 0.476 ........ 7-8...... Bayou Bombers
16 ...... 12 ...... 12 ........ 0.480 ........ 8-7...... Calgary Cougars
17 ...... 17 ...... 20 ........ 0.480 ........ 8-7...... Long Island Sound
18 ...... 13 ...... 21 ........ 0.520 ........ 8-7...... White Devils
19 ...... 23 ...... 14 ........ 0.564 ........ 5-10.... Casual Merkins
20 ...... 18 ...... 22 ........ 0.533 ........ 6-9...... Yukon Badgers
21 ...... 22 ...... 19 ........ 0.511 ........ 4-11.... Cool Runnings
21 ...... 25 ...... 17 ........ 0.573 ........ 3-12.... The Lahti Factory
21 ...... 21 ...... 23 ........ 0.547 ........ 3-12.... Baylor Gang
24 ...... 27 ...... 28 ........ 0.489 ........ 6-9...... Fulham Bears Billy The Badger
25 ...... 20 ...... 26 ........ 0.493 ........ 6-9...... ENMU Greyhounds
26 ...... 26 ...... 24 ........ 0.498 ........ 5-10.... Mojo Futures
27 ...... 24 ...... 25 ........ 0.493 ........ 4-11.... West Tampa Warriors
28 ...... 28 ...... 30 ........ 0.484 ........ 3-12.... Pacific Titans
29 ...... 31 ...... 27 ........ 0.498 ........ 1-14.... Angola Lifers
30 ...... 32 ...... 32 ........ 0.604 ........ 0-15.... Sid's Saints
31 ...... 29 ...... 29 ........ 0.480 ........ 1-14.... Sic Semper Tyrannis
32 ...... 30 ...... 31 ........ 0.520 ........ 1-14.... S.T.F.U. Prisoners of War
NEXT WEEK'S MATCHUPS
Exp Score Matchup
248 - 0 Dexter's Dark Passengers (15-0) def. West Tampa Warriors (4-11)
255 - 0 Deep Fried Crunchy Frogs (13-2) def. Sic Semper Tyrannis (1-14)
37 - 16 ACS Relayers (12-3) def. German-American Evil Rams (10-5)
255 - 0 The Durruti Column (11-4) def. S.T.F.U. Prisoners of War (1-14)
171 - 0 Landfill Gulls (11-4) def. Angola Lifers (1-14)
104 - 10 Long Island Sound (8-7) def. Pacific Titans (3-12)
91 - 12 UWEC Blugold (8-7) def. ENMU Greyhounds (6-9)
92 - 8 Bayou Bombers (7-8) def. Mojo Futures (5-10)
21 - 12 Northbrook Spartans (15-0) def. Southside Green Hornets (13-2)
22 - 16 Blatz Beer Barbarians (14-1) def. Vancouver WolfPack (13-2)
89 - 8 Niagara Purple Eagles (9-6) def. Fulham Bears Billy The Badger (6-9)
42 - 27 Calgary Cougars (8-7) def. YOU'RE DEAD TO ME (9-6)
46 - 15 The Panda Petting Zoo (8-7) def. Yukon Badgers (6-9)
44 - 31 White Devils (8-7) def. Cool Runnings (4-11)
39 - 13 Casual Merkins (5-10) def. Baylor Gang (3-12)
56 - 0 The Lahti Factory (3-12) def. Sid's Saints (0-15)
Edited by JSAvens on Aug 1, 2014 21:28:19
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OK, so we just got beat in the first round of the playoffs by a CPU team?????? The state of this game is just sad. I made a couple of very minor adjustments to a game plan that beat Northbrook the final game of the regular season and a CPU team throws for 400+ yds. against us in an opening round game. If I didn't have obligations to my team I would quit today. This CPU theme has been there all season and now it has ruined my season. Sad, just plain sad. Rant over!!
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Originally posted by tfishbone70
OK, so we just got beat in the first round of the playoffs by a CPU team?????? The state of this game is just sad. I made a couple of very minor adjustments to a game plan that beat Northbrook the final game of the regular season and a CPU team throws for 400+ yds. against us in an opening round game. If I didn't have obligations to my team I would quit today. This CPU theme has been there all season and now it has ruined my season. Sad, just plain sad. Rant over!!
yea, I've noticed that for several seasons recently that cpu teams are playing just to good and constantly beating better human teams, not to make things to easy but if your a paying customer on a human owned team than a cpu team should damn near be a guaranteed win. There is no excuse for cpu teams to be taking up playoff spots and then beating human teams.
OK, so we just got beat in the first round of the playoffs by a CPU team?????? The state of this game is just sad. I made a couple of very minor adjustments to a game plan that beat Northbrook the final game of the regular season and a CPU team throws for 400+ yds. against us in an opening round game. If I didn't have obligations to my team I would quit today. This CPU theme has been there all season and now it has ruined my season. Sad, just plain sad. Rant over!!
yea, I've noticed that for several seasons recently that cpu teams are playing just to good and constantly beating better human teams, not to make things to easy but if your a paying customer on a human owned team than a cpu team should damn near be a guaranteed win. There is no excuse for cpu teams to be taking up playoff spots and then beating human teams.
Edited by blbaad on Aug 5, 2014 13:07:05
a cpu team beat my Wolfpack team & we barely won against the team that got you 19-6, your team is top notch & that should not have happened.
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That's pathetic on GLBs part.
I actually sent support something regarding that CPU team and they gave me a cookie cutter response, nothing to see here basically. Wonder if they still think that.
I actually sent support something regarding that CPU team and they gave me a cookie cutter response, nothing to see here basically. Wonder if they still think that.
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why do they hide CPU builds?? anyone know? I'd be really interested in seeing the build on a couple of those players. This is a capped league and if they're throwing fully mature players against capped teams, which is what I see when I watch a couple of the CPU players, then I want some money back. I really want a push for CPU builds to be open so we know what we're playing against in the lower levels. Who cares at pro and above but anything capped should be open.
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http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=5193464
please support this thread if you agree, thanks
please support this thread if you agree, thanks
Head-to-Head Fantasy matchup
Exp Score Matchup
11 - 3 Dexter's Dark Passengers (17-0) def. The Durruti Column (13-4)
22 - 9 Deep Fried Crunchy Frogs (15-2) def. ACS Relayers (14-3)
Head-to-Head Fantasy matchup
Exp Score Matchup
14 - 12 Northbrook Spartans (16-1) def. Vancouver WolfPack (14-3)
49 - 7 Blatz Beer Barbarians (16-1) def. The Panda Petting Zoo (10-7)
Exp Score Matchup
11 - 3 Dexter's Dark Passengers (17-0) def. The Durruti Column (13-4)
22 - 9 Deep Fried Crunchy Frogs (15-2) def. ACS Relayers (14-3)
Head-to-Head Fantasy matchup
Exp Score Matchup
14 - 12 Northbrook Spartans (16-1) def. Vancouver WolfPack (14-3)
49 - 7 Blatz Beer Barbarians (16-1) def. The Panda Petting Zoo (10-7)
Edited by JSAvens on Aug 6, 2014 21:42:12
Edited by JSAvens on Aug 6, 2014 21:41:21
Edited by JSAvens on Aug 6, 2014 21:40:19
GG Spartans & ACS, both tough teams & I stayed up later than normal trying to scout both of you
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