Warrior General Games

GLB2 is on beta stage and a lot is accomplished by its users by trial and error. We're all sort of active beta testers. Yes, I screwed a couple of my players and I believe it all began in their creation, being impossible to simply respec to fix the problem. My early players are now seasoned players and, before anyone accuses that I should have resetted them earlier, we were learning as we played and the reasons behind the misbehaviors were only spotted seasons past. The only way to fix my players would be to retire them and start from scratch, however, as part of a team of good friends who have been playing together for years and as someone who can state that is only here because there's this specific team, I can't just retire this character as I wouldn't be able to return to this team afterwards.

I'm locked in. Trapped and frustrated. So, yes, I suggest, in the spirit of beta and usability, the latter because it is not a wise idea, in my opinion, to leave the whole fate of a character to be decided while he doesn't know the game in depth, the addition of full resets going back to the same level.

You'd only be able to do them once per career and they would cost Flex points, these measures to avoid abuse. A player would go back to the first character creation screen, unable to pick a different position nor name. He could split his attribute points and pick new traits. Since he's just resetting his characters, when he goes to point distribution he would have all his boosts back (he doesn't lose/recover flex, that's why the restart is a purchase).

It's a clean sheet on the same drawing board. As someone who saw several new users from other games give up when they couldn't go back after a bad decision in such a complex and deep game, these are my five cents.

We should be able to respec players

The currently available respec option is a miserable failure.

I gives you the large and ominous message that it can be done only a limited number of times, heavily hinting that you should save it for later in life. Then, boom... when you finally hit the button, it only respecs the skill and ability points you have earned on the current season. You have no option to respec points spent in previous seasons.

And you can't fix creation build errors.

BUT, that being said, get over it. I was a season 1 GLB classic team owner who dominated for seven seasons . . . and then the math whiz super slow builders hit the big leagues and us "boost today to keep up" season 1 guys didn't stand a chance. Oh well. That's the way it goes.

Originally posted by moghedan
The currently available respec option is a miserable failure.

I gives you the large and ominous message that it can be done only a limited number of times, heavily hinting that you should save it for later in life. Then, boom... when you finally hit the button, it only respecs the skill and ability points you have earned on the current season. You have no option to respec points spent in previous seasons.

Respec is meant to fix slight build mistakes during the season, not rolling out a brand new build on a whim.

Originally posted by Corndog
Respec is meant to fix slight build mistakes during the season, not rolling out a brand new build on a whim.

I'm with the maize canine here.

I have less than zero interest in trying to build playbooks to counter flavor-of-the-month (FotM) builds.

You're forgetting that I suggested this feature to be once in a lifetime and to be charged in flex points to avoid abuse.

Basically this means that, since we can't do it now, brand-new users won't be able to fix their early mistakes?

I believe we've all been on the internet long enough to predict their reaction.

Originally posted by kaiijy
You're forgetting that I suggested this feature to be once in a lifetime and to be charged in flex points to avoid abuse.

Basically this means that, since we can't do it now, brand-new users won't be able to fix their early mistakes?

I believe we've all been on the internet long enough to predict their reaction.

Its really difficult to fubar your build in the first season tbh

While I somewhat agree, since most of my seasoned players have terrible caps, I hope/know this never happens

Originally posted by Corndog
Its really difficult to fubar your build in the first season tbh

Not in the first season of the game

And we're not even talking about a fubar, it's the user experience, its safety to know he can go back when he learns more about the game. It's a quicker answer in the forums when someone complains they screwed something up and noticed later.

I also admit that part of my frustration may be caused by the inaccuracy in the CBs behavior in the game engine, which has generated multiple threads around these forums. Then I raise the question "Why can the developers do a fubar?" Because it is a beta, god dammit. And that's another reason why you should do that.

I used to be an über-active member of a game called Football Identity. GM, developer, you name it. And, yes, the game was as complex as GLB (perhaps even more) and we had an issue with user retention, also, we had to tweak attributes in the course of the development and applied resets to all players in the game. It was so successful we turned these resets into paid features later on. It generated revenue and halved the complains received by the GMs and moderators.

People don't want to fuck up, but they like to know they can fuck up, at least once in a lifetime.

Also, if people go the only way at the moment and retire their characters to start from scratch, soon the pool of grown up players will be so thin we won't have more than a couple players for the teams in the top tiers.

Allowing a full respec (including attributes) is silly. Maybe, and I stress, maybe after the first season it would make sense. After that, not so much.

Astonishes me how you can call something silly without a proper reasoning behind the name-calling.

(not a provocation, I just wish I could be convinced otherwise)

Originally posted by kaiijy
Astonishes me how you can call something silly without a proper reasoning behind the name-calling.

(not a provocation, I just wish I could be convinced otherwise)

Because it's far too easy to abuse. If you allowed this, players who picked Early Bloomer in season 1 (and now, are realizing they have no good places for points) already hit their "peak" last season and can shift into a dominant mode now. You had your choice for how you wanted to set up your player, you had the ability to retire and re-do him before the season started, so you could see where your build ended up. Plus, allowing a trait redo now would let someone take the Superstar trait on a now Journeyman, jumping miles ahead of where one should be.

Originally posted by Corndog
Its really difficult to fubar your build in the first season tbh

That's a weird comment since you can FUBAR your build in the first minute.

Originally posted by Cuivienen
That's a weird comment since you can FUBAR your build in the first minute.

At that point you can freely start over though.