just like the defense. o should be able to set dc for each formation not just general and goalline.
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That existed in the first season of testing. It allowed teams to be able to do everything so Bort took them away so coordinating didn't become a major chore.
Jonny on the Spot
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i get keeping it simple. just dosnt make since to allow the defense to do it and not the o. defense then gets the advantage of using certain types of players in certain formations, while the o hopes for the best
The offense also has the ability to control the flow of the game, where the defense doesn't.
The offense could have all of their pass blockers, receiving HB, receiving TE, etc in Weak I, and all of their power blockers, power HB, etc etc in Strong I, and the defense has no way to counter either.
The defense doesn't have that luxury. If they have pure run defense players in on a 4-3 or something, the offense can easily just pass the ball.
Offense can effectively eliminate the risk and make it all reward with a full custom depth chart, defense cannot.
The offense could have all of their pass blockers, receiving HB, receiving TE, etc in Weak I, and all of their power blockers, power HB, etc etc in Strong I, and the defense has no way to counter either.
The defense doesn't have that luxury. If they have pure run defense players in on a 4-3 or something, the offense can easily just pass the ball.
Offense can effectively eliminate the risk and make it all reward with a full custom depth chart, defense cannot.
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Originally posted by Jonny on the Spot
but dosnt this system do the same to offense now.
No, because the defence still has to react to the offence.
but dosnt this system do the same to offense now.
No, because the defence still has to react to the offence.
eaglesfan20
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Originally posted by Corndog
The offense also has the ability to control the flow of the game, where the defense doesn't.
The offense could have all of their pass blockers, receiving HB, receiving TE, etc in Weak I, and all of their power blockers, power HB, etc etc in Strong I, and the defense has no way to counter either.
The defense doesn't have that luxury. If they have pure run defense players in on a 4-3 or something, the offense can easily just pass the ball.
Offense can effectively eliminate the risk and make it all reward with a full custom depth chart, defense cannot.
what if the offense had it simple like the D.
instead of a depth chart for each offensive formation, the offense can have a 2 WR, Big, 3 WR, etc depth chart.
this would then mirror the option the defense has when selecting plays in the playbook which in theory should mean that they would then be able to better counter
so if I wanted a certain RB, TE, O-line, whatever in on 2 WR sets and a receiving HB, etc whatever in on multiple WR sets I would have that ability
just a thought
The offense also has the ability to control the flow of the game, where the defense doesn't.
The offense could have all of their pass blockers, receiving HB, receiving TE, etc in Weak I, and all of their power blockers, power HB, etc etc in Strong I, and the defense has no way to counter either.
The defense doesn't have that luxury. If they have pure run defense players in on a 4-3 or something, the offense can easily just pass the ball.
Offense can effectively eliminate the risk and make it all reward with a full custom depth chart, defense cannot.
what if the offense had it simple like the D.
instead of a depth chart for each offensive formation, the offense can have a 2 WR, Big, 3 WR, etc depth chart.
this would then mirror the option the defense has when selecting plays in the playbook which in theory should mean that they would then be able to better counter
so if I wanted a certain RB, TE, O-line, whatever in on 2 WR sets and a receiving HB, etc whatever in on multiple WR sets I would have that ability
just a thought
Edited by eaglesfan20 on Dec 10, 2013 11:49:10
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You really can't have a RB that can't catch and a RB that can catch. Bort doesn't want people to be able to sub by formation because then you'd have to allow tagging.
If I had a 2 WR, 3 WR, 4 WR, 5 WR and Big Depth Chart options I would, as an OC, have an unstoppable power over the D.
I would have two sets of blockers, one with all running and one with all passing skills. I would have a hand-off QB and a passing QB. I would have a blocking TE and a receiving TE.
In one version of my playbook, I would pass out of the 2 WR, 4 WR, and 5 WR formations and run out of the 3 WR and Big formations. I could set up one depth chart to do that.
In another version of my playbook, I would pass out of the 3 WR, 5 WR, and Big formations and run out of the 2 WR, 4 WR, and one side of the Big formations. I could set up one depth chart to do that.
So with two clicks of the mouse, I could run two overpowered offences and the D would have no idea which one was coming, because they can't tag and the depth chart I am choosing is hidden until the game sims.
THAT's why we can't have nice things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Imv4Jcnwg
If I had a 2 WR, 3 WR, 4 WR, 5 WR and Big Depth Chart options I would, as an OC, have an unstoppable power over the D.
I would have two sets of blockers, one with all running and one with all passing skills. I would have a hand-off QB and a passing QB. I would have a blocking TE and a receiving TE.
In one version of my playbook, I would pass out of the 2 WR, 4 WR, and 5 WR formations and run out of the 3 WR and Big formations. I could set up one depth chart to do that.
In another version of my playbook, I would pass out of the 3 WR, 5 WR, and Big formations and run out of the 2 WR, 4 WR, and one side of the Big formations. I could set up one depth chart to do that.
So with two clicks of the mouse, I could run two overpowered offences and the D would have no idea which one was coming, because they can't tag and the depth chart I am choosing is hidden until the game sims.
THAT's why we can't have nice things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Imv4Jcnwg
eaglesfan20
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like I said it was just a thought
thanks for the answer and the explanation as to how it would be exploited
thanks for the answer and the explanation as to how it would be exploited
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Originally posted by eaglesfan20
like I said it was just a thought
thanks for the answer and the explanation as to how it would be exploited
The first season of the test server we had this power, that's why I know it can be exploited.
like I said it was just a thought
thanks for the answer and the explanation as to how it would be exploited
The first season of the test server we had this power, that's why I know it can be exploited.
I suggested a system that would allow multiple depth charts that would make it harder to jump from playbook to playbook. I'll see if I can either find the old version or re-write it to see what the general GLB population thinks.
Jonny on the Spot
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what about just a little box on tactics page that says bte in for run plays. and you can pick always, sometimes, never. then who ever is in the bte dc spot will play when it fires.
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Bort didn't like the O formation depth chart because in order for the defense to craft defenses around that they would need a play chart for each formation. Bort didn't like that idea so he just took away the O depth chart all together.
Jonny on the Spot
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Originally posted by Time Trial
You really can't have a RB that can't catch and a RB that can catch. Bort doesn't want people to be able to sub by formation because then you'd have to allow tagging.
If I had a 2 WR, 3 WR, 4 WR, 5 WR and Big Depth Chart options I would, as an OC, have an unstoppable power over the D.
I would have two sets of blockers, one with all running and one with all passing skills. I would have a hand-off QB and a passing QB. I would have a blocking TE and a receiving TE.
In one version of my playbook, I would pass out of the 2 WR, 4 WR, and 5 WR formations and run out of the 3 WR and Big formations. I could set up one depth chart to do that.
In another version of my playbook, I would pass out of the 3 WR, 5 WR, and Big formations and run out of the 2 WR, 4 WR, and one side of the Big formations. I could set up one depth chart to do that.
So with two clicks of the mouse, I could run two overpowered offences and the D would have no idea which one was coming, because they can't tag and the depth chart I am choosing is hidden until the game sims.
THAT's why we can't have nice things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Imv4Jcnwg
is that not the point. the defense should not know what my dc is or what i plan to do. I can do the same thing on d now. with run defense and pass defense. (mostly switching out dline men depending on formation's likely hood to pass) so the d can stack up pass rushers and cover guys against my 3 or 4 wr sets and have a better shot at sacks, hurries, or just stopping the play. i know we are keeping it simple. this is not glb. but we should have the same options on o as d does. if they can set a certain formations to stop things. we should be able to set up certain formations to run better or pass better. If not you make one type of build obsolete for the o. Or its just a crap shoot to get who you want playing when and were you want
You really can't have a RB that can't catch and a RB that can catch. Bort doesn't want people to be able to sub by formation because then you'd have to allow tagging.
If I had a 2 WR, 3 WR, 4 WR, 5 WR and Big Depth Chart options I would, as an OC, have an unstoppable power over the D.
I would have two sets of blockers, one with all running and one with all passing skills. I would have a hand-off QB and a passing QB. I would have a blocking TE and a receiving TE.
In one version of my playbook, I would pass out of the 2 WR, 4 WR, and 5 WR formations and run out of the 3 WR and Big formations. I could set up one depth chart to do that.
In another version of my playbook, I would pass out of the 3 WR, 5 WR, and Big formations and run out of the 2 WR, 4 WR, and one side of the Big formations. I could set up one depth chart to do that.
So with two clicks of the mouse, I could run two overpowered offences and the D would have no idea which one was coming, because they can't tag and the depth chart I am choosing is hidden until the game sims.
THAT's why we can't have nice things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Imv4Jcnwg
is that not the point. the defense should not know what my dc is or what i plan to do. I can do the same thing on d now. with run defense and pass defense. (mostly switching out dline men depending on formation's likely hood to pass) so the d can stack up pass rushers and cover guys against my 3 or 4 wr sets and have a better shot at sacks, hurries, or just stopping the play. i know we are keeping it simple. this is not glb. but we should have the same options on o as d does. if they can set a certain formations to stop things. we should be able to set up certain formations to run better or pass better. If not you make one type of build obsolete for the o. Or its just a crap shoot to get who you want playing when and were you want
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