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Kayoh
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I know GLB isn't meant to be an NFL sim or anything, but suppose somebody runs a 3-4 defense. What sense would it make for them to have 325 pound DEs if, in passing situations, they're forced to either use a 3-3-5 nickel where the NT is borderline useless, or a 4-2-5 nickel where the DEs are playing OOP at DT and the OLBs are playing OOP at DE?

In addition, this is kind of a bonus thing, but it'd be nice to be able to utilize some kind of LEO concept here. I know not everybody is educated on LEO defenses, but it's fairly simple...basically, it's a 4-3 over where the weakside DE is classified as a LB.

Suggestion 1: Add a 2-4-5 Nickel formation where the two defensive linemen are classified as DEs (lined up between the tackle and guard and the OLBs are lined up as 7 or 9 techniques, on the line of scrimmage. It's basically the same as a 4-2-5 nickel. For real life examples, the 49ers, Jets, Ravens, Redskins, Texans and Cardinals all pull their NT in place of a nickel corner when they go to nickel formations rather than pulling a LB.

Suggestion 2: Add a 2-3-6 Dime formation, again, where the two DL are DEs and lined up as 2 or 3 techniques, and the OLBs are split out wide on the LOS. Very similar to the 4-1-6 dime, but designed to fit 3-4 personnel. Again, for real life examples, all the teams that use the 2-4-5 nickel also use the 2-3-6 dime. The Chiefs and Bills also use the 2-3-6 Dime, but they both use a NT and DE rather than two DEs as their two DL.

Suggestion 3: Add LEO Weak and LEO Strong formations. It's sort of a hybrid 3-4/4-3 where one DE is bigger and almost like a 3-4 DE, and the opposite DE is a standup LB [the LEO, which is just a cute nickname for Linebacker/End hybrid]. The OLB opposite the LEO lines up on the LOS, which is why it's kind of similar to a 3-4, but aside from the big DE and standup LEO, it's basically just a 4-3 Over or Under.

Suggestion 4: Make it an option to use 8 men in the box for teams that want to make their primary defensive scheme cover 1 or cover 3. The SS playing 8+ yards from the LOS is typical of cover 2 teams, but that's about it. Cover 1 and Cover 3 shells are significantly more common than Cover 2 these days, and it seems dated that all the base defensive plays are in a cover 2 look, even if some of them USE a cover 1.

If it helps, I can pull up photoshop and design some sample plays, but I really feel like - at the very least, the 2-4-5 Nickel and 2-3-6 Dime - these suggestions are valid and should be strongly considered for implementation.
 
Chysil
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I'd go for these... the LEO might never happen, but I'd like 2man fronts especially for the people who want to play 3-4... and 8 in the box is pretty much a must have in my opinion
 
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Originally posted by Chysil
I'd go for these... the LEO might never happen, but I'd like 2man fronts especially for the people who want to play 3-4... and 8 in the box is pretty much a must have in my opinion

Yeah, I'm not holding my breath for the LEO, but the 2 man fronts are kind of a big deal when you're committed to playing 3-4 and making/recruiting 325 pound DEs, 368 pound DTs and 260 pound OLBs, plus only carrying 2 DTs because you'll only ever use them in one depth position and they'll only ever play in like 40% of all snaps.
 
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I like it. Bort seems to be really about making the defenses on GLB2 more realistic so theres a good shot in the dark he could be on board with this.
 
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+1
 
Corndog
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I like adding more options.

Then again, it's not really an easy fix. We would have to design a bunch of plays for the formations as well. It would be nice to add in the future though
 
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Originally posted by Corndog
I like adding more options.

Then again, it's not really an easy fix. We would have to design a bunch of plays for the formations as well. It would be nice to add in the future though


just let us make our own D plays
 
Corndog
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Originally posted by ProfessionalKop
just let us make our own D plays


Yeah, no
 
Corndog
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Not that we might not have some "contests" or something for defensive play ideas when we decide to add more, but yeah.
 
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Originally posted by Corndog
I like adding more options.

Then again, it's not really an easy fix. We would have to design a bunch of plays for the formations as well. It would be nice to add in the future though


How about asking Kayoh for some tips on plays for these formations. Very good input from him.
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Originally posted by cavalier
How about asking Kayoh for some tips on plays for these formations. Very good input from him.


I'm also not against asking users for suggestions on defensive plays.

But we just can't undertake that endeavor at the moment. Putting plays into the database, and making the artwork takes awhile, and making sure everything is running smooth just takes precedence over adding new formations right now.

I'd say it's likely in the future, but not now.
 
Kayoh
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If it wouldn't be possible to add the new formations this season, would it at least be possible to allow DEs to be selectable in the NT & DT depth charts, even if only for the nickel 4-2-5 and dime 4-1-6 formations? That'd be extremely helpful and go a long way towards making 3-4 defenses more viable.
 
Kayoh
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Bumping this for visibility & an answer to my most recent question. It'd be great to even be able to just use my DEs at the DT spot in nickel & dime formations.
 
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It seems like that would be possible. Kind of Borts area and im out of town for a couple weeks so...
 
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Originally posted by Kayoh
Bumping this for visibility & an answer to my most recent question. It'd be great to even be able to just use my DEs at the DT spot in nickel & dime formations.


Preferably without an OOP penalty.
 
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