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I rolled a +5% FF piece. Is it worth keeping or should i reroll and hope for a +3 Strength/+5% BB?
i'm aiming for 3 pieces AEQ with 2 x BB %. But i have no plan what the third piece should be.

thanks in advance.

How high will tackling be?
Will you have monster/big hit up?
Will you be using FF VA's like Power Tackler?
Will you be tackling on balanced or power setting?

If you can answer yes to 2 of those and have tackling above 84 it could be a piece that provides value to your build.

I feel like NTs (and even DTs for that matter) miss many tackles if they don't have some pieces in +MT%. If you are missing tackles, then you don't even get to the FF roll. Originally posted by MileHighShoes
How high will tackling be? Not a yes/no ?
Will you have monster/big hit up?
Will you be using FF VA's like Power Tackler?
Will you be tackling on balanced or power setting? Not a yes/no ?

If you can answer yes to 2 of those and have tackling above 84 it could be a piece that provides value to your build.

So you have to have monster/big hit up as well as using FF VAs and tackling above 84? I mean that is not a bad idea... but just confusing how you went through it.

Originally posted by toobad4u_00
So you have to have monster/big hit up as well as using FF VAs and tackling above 84? I mean that is not a bad idea... but just confusing how you went through it.

FF% is a percent boost to everything involved in the force fumble roll.
You'll get a larger boost from it the more you have involved in the FF roll. If your roll is just based on tackling and strength with no supporting VA's, or SA's... you aren't getting a big enough boost for it to be worth it.

The things about having at least 84 tackling is so that your tackle quality can be decent enough to get a force fumble roll on at least a few of your tackle attempts. IF you don't have enough quality tackles you won't be getting any force fumble attempts anyways, so it's mostly pointless.

The question will you be on balanced or power setting is a yes/no. They are both acceptable, wrap up setting is not. The last sentence also very clearly excludes the first question from the yes/no thing. Please read.

Tackling on Wrap up is a detriment to the FF roll when you do get it. Balanced provides no bonus while power provides a small bonus. If you are tackling on wrap-up or plan to tackle on wrap-up, you shouldn't bother with FF% EQ, because the two conflict with each other.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2108970
You can get away without rolling with a mt% at DE or DT, but it needs to be accounted for in the scheme, as you can see this dot missed a few tackles but forced quite a few fumbles as well. Of course this is an old dot, and competition has improved but building strategies have also improved and much could be done better with a similar dot. But to force fumbles a lot of things have to come together. You can't just do one thing and hope to force fumbles otherwise you won't receive much output for the amount that you lose elsewhere. For instance that 15% FF, could have been 15% mt, or a relevant SA to block shedding, or even a 3rd bb%. That FF% needs to stack on top of other FF abilities, otherwise you are wasting it.

Originally posted by MileHighShoes
FF% is a percent boost to everything involved in the force fumble roll.
You'll get a larger boost from it the more you have involved in the FF roll. If your roll is just based on tackling and strength with no supporting VA's, or SA's... you aren't getting a big enough boost for it to be worth it.

The things about having at least 84 tackling is so that your tackle quality can be decent enough to get a force fumble roll on at least a few of your tackle attempts. IF you don't have enough quality tackles you won't be getting any force fumble attempts anyways, so it's mostly pointless.

The question will you be on balanced or power setting is a yes/no. They are both acceptable, wrap up setting is not. The last sentence also very clearly excludes the first question from the yes/no thing. Please read.

Tackling on Wrap up is a detriment to the FF roll when you do get it. Balanced provides no bonus while power provides a small bonus. If you are tackling on wrap-up or plan to tackle on wrap-up, you shouldn't bother with FF% EQ, because the two conflict with each other.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2108970
You can get away without rolling with a mt% at DE or DT, but it needs to be accounted for in the scheme, as you can see this dot missed a few tackles but forced quite a few fumbles as well. Of course this is an old dot, and competition has improved but building strategies have also improved and much could be done better with a similar dot. But to force fumbles a lot of things have to come together. You can't just do one thing and hope to force fumbles otherwise you won't receive much output for the amount that you lose elsewhere. For instance that 15% FF, could have been 15% mt, or a relevant SA to block shedding, or even a 3rd bb%. That FF% needs to stack on top of other FF abilities, otherwise you are wasting it.

.. I hate to have to point things out to people 2 times so I just won't. Just keep in mind I understood your entire post...... just I wasn't keen on how you delivered your message.

Originally posted by MileHighShoes
FF% is a percent boost to everything involved in the force fumble roll.
You'll get a larger boost from it the more you have involved in the FF roll. If your roll is just based on tackling and strength with no supporting VA's, or SA's... you aren't getting a big enough boost for it to be worth it.

The things about having at least 84 tackling is so that your tackle quality can be decent enough to get a force fumble roll on at least a few of your tackle attempts. IF you don't have enough quality tackles you won't be getting any force fumble attempts anyways, so it's mostly pointless.

The question will you be on balanced or power setting is a yes/no. They are both acceptable, wrap up setting is not. The last sentence also very clearly excludes the first question from the yes/no thing. Please read.

Tackling on Wrap up is a detriment to the FF roll when you do get it. Balanced provides no bonus while power provides a small bonus. If you are tackling on wrap-up or plan to tackle on wrap-up, you shouldn't bother with FF% EQ, because the two conflict with each other.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2108970
You can get away without rolling with a mt% at DE or DT, but it needs to be accounted for in the scheme, as you can see this dot missed a few tackles but forced quite a few fumbles as well. Of course this is an old dot, and competition has improved but building strategies have also improved and much could be done better with a similar dot. But to force fumbles a lot of things have to come together. You can't just do one thing and hope to force fumbles otherwise you won't receive much output for the amount that you lose elsewhere. For instance that 15% FF, could have been 15% mt, or a relevant SA to block shedding, or even a 3rd bb%. That FF% needs to stack on top of other FF abilities, otherwise you are wasting it.

ummm clearly you did not understand my point, but that is okay. I agree with your premise, just not your delivery.

Thanks for you help guys. I took a 5-mt% piece instead.

Originally posted by toobad4u_00
ummm clearly you did not understand my point, but that is okay. I agree with your premise, just not your delivery.

What did I misunderstand?
That defenders without a mt% piece tend to miss tackles? I didn't dispute that at all and addressed that. A dot can miss quite a few tackles while also still getting a FF roll on a good chunk of the tackles they make. As much as tackle quality is tied to the fumble roll a dot can still miss a lot of tackles and still perform well in the FF roll. It's not ideal when you are chasing fumbles, but you have more liberties to miss tackles as a D-linemen than you do as a LB or DB. I felt I addressed this adequately by posting my retired DE.
I also feel I addressed your point about my delivery. Did I miss something else, or was the way I addressed your points not satisfactory enough for you?

Originally posted by Saurroth
Thanks for you help guys. I took a 5-mt% piece instead.
Good idea, better off focusing on the break block side of things.