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Anyone have any luck using a roster with 2 kickers? As in, 1 Boomer and 1 Technician? A lot of real-life college and NFL teams have their most-accurate kicker (their Technician) handle FGs while their strongest-legged kicker (their Boomer) handles kickoffs, so I was wondering if it's ever been tried in GLB.

Best way I can think of to make it work would be this:
1.) Put both kickers in the K depth chart: Boomer first, then Technichian second.

2.) Set the Energy Settings at K to be something like 1/2, so the Boomer will always play on kickoffs.

3.) Put just the Boomer in the PH depth chart. That way, on FG plays the Boomer would get pulled into the PH slot, leaving the Technician to fill in at K to actually attempt the FG.

Problem is, that would only work if the sim fills the PH spot first before filling the K spot. If the sim fills K before PH, then the Boomer would attempt the FG and a QB would get pulled in at PH instead.

(Also means using up an extra roster spot, but for teams who already have some STOPs, it would be pretty easy to just cut one STOP to make room for the extra Kicker. Then you'd get the benefit of your most accurate kicker handling FGs while your strongest kicker sends all the kickoffs back for touchbacks.)

Biggest obstacle is finding out whether the sim fills PH before K, or if the sim fills K before PH.

Anyone ever tried this?

Technicians aren't any better at FGs than boomers. For kicks below 50 yards, any high level kicker is nearly automatic. What's the advantage of using a technician kicker at all?

Originally posted by choco
Technicians aren't any better at FGs than boomers. For kicks below 50 yards, any high level kicker is nearly automatic. What's the advantage of using a technician kicker at all?

The main advantage I can think of would be in how you build the two kickers from Level 1 up, especially the Boomer.

Since your Boomer would only be doing Kickoffs, there'd be WAY less need for Vision, Confidence, or any SAs or VAs that only help with kicking FGs. That's more points you can put into Strength, Kicking, and SAs and VAs that specifically help with just kickoffs. That in turn could mean more touchbacks, which is fewer opportunities for your opponent to get a good return or even a return-TD. And touchbacks also lessen the energy drain on your dots who happen to be on the field, which in turn can lessen your team's need for STOPs. (Of course, your opponent's dots would lose less energy too, but they only get that advantage for one game... you get it for the whole season, and thus you can adjust your roster accordingly for the whole season, something your opponents don't get to do.)

It would also mean far less Stamina needed for your Technician, since he wouldn't be getting his energy drained on kickoff plays anymore, which in turn frees up SPs for other attributes. With more points that can be spent on Kicking, Vision, Confidence or Strength instead of Stamina, he'd be slightly more likely to make critical FGs.

But yeah, assuming this idea would work at all, it would definitely help more with the kickoffs than with the FGs.

Just found it curious though... quite a few college and NFL teams use a 2-kicker (or even a 3-kicker!) system, yet everyone in GLB just uses 1 kicker... and from the reaction I got in the FAQ forum to this idea, everyone seems to think I'm an idiot. But does that mean every real-life coach who uses 2 kickers is an idiot too?

Conventional wisdom is usually right, but every now and then, conventional wisdom gets one wrong -- and then acts to keep anyone else from challenging it.

The only attribute that affects touchbacks is kicking. A few of us ran a test some seasons ago and my guy with like 165 kicking with less than 80 strength had like a 70% touchback percentage. The guys with 150 kicking and 100 strength had half as many touchbacks.

Not sure if you have access to this private forum.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4280353&page=1#38441635

and

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4285953&page=1

Also, kickers don't need stamina. Just don't put any points into speed so they're slow as crap and never run far to wear themselves out.

Originally posted by Novus
Just found it curious though... quite a few college and NFL teams use a 2-kicker (or even a 3-kicker!) system, yet everyone in GLB just uses 1 kicker... and from the reaction I got in the FAQ forum to this idea, everyone seems to think I'm an idiot. But does that mean every real-life coach who uses 2 kickers is an idiot too?

In real life, especially college football, it isn't nearly automatic to hit sub 50 yard FGs. Some guys have stronger legs, but no accuracy. Some guys can kick higher, but not as long or straight. Some guys are deadly from inside 30-35, but don't have the leg for anything farther.

In GLB, those distinctions don't exist. Any pro level kicker can make 95% of sub 50 yard FGs and over 50 yarders are a 50/50 proposition almost regardless of build. Seemingly the only thing that builds distinguish between kickers is kickoff distance and the overriding major component of that is the kicking attribute, which all kickers should get as high as possible anyway.

Originally posted by choco
The only attribute that affects touchbacks is kicking. A few of us ran a test some seasons ago and my guy with like 165 kicking with less than 80 strength had like a 70% touchback percentage. The guys with 150 kicking and 100 strength had half as many touchbacks.

Okay, good to know.

However, that just changes this...

Originally posted by Novus
Since your Boomer would only be doing Kickoffs, there'd be WAY less need for Vision, Confidence, or any SAs or VAs that only help with kicking FGs. That's more points you can put into Strength, Kicking, and SAs and VAs that specifically help with just kickoffs. That in turn could mean more touchbacks...

...to this:

Originally posted by Novus
Since your Boomer would only be doing Kickoffs, there'd be WAY less need for Vision, Confidence, or any SAs or VAs that only help with kicking FGs. That's more points you can put into Kicking and SAs and VAs that specifically help with just kickoffs. That in turn could mean more touchbacks...

All I did was removed the word Strength. Still means you can take the points that would be going into Vision and Confidence and put them into Kicking instead.

You also keep bringing up FGs, but again, I think the biggest difference in this would be on kickoffs. I agree with you that the advantage on FGs would be minimal at best, but I think there could be a difference on kickoffs.

I should run the VPB on a Kicker who is built only for kickoffs and see what I can come up with, see how much of a difference it makes not having to put any SPs into Vision or Confidence.

You can only get kicking so high before it costs like 14 SPs to get 1 more point into kicking. You can easily get kicking high enough for lots of touchbacks while still getting 90+ confidence and 80+ strength and vision. You don't even need more than 4 in each SA. Heck, probably not more than 2 with a CEQ distribution.

Update on the 2-kicker system... on my CPU-test team, I set up the roster with 2 kickers, a Boomer and a Technician. I put both of them on the K depth chart (#1 Boomer, #2 Technician), set the K energy to 1/2, and put the Boomer K on the PH depth chart.

The result?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2169465

The Boomer did all the kickoffs, and the Technician did all the FGs and XPs. So, it looks like the sim fills PH first, which means a 2-kicker system is possible.

Possible. I didn't say it was a good idea, just that it's possible.