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P@nda
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Originally posted by Plankton
Fantastic announcement. Long overdue.

However, why stop at Nat Pro? Add a league tier between Semi - Pro and Regional Pro that is capped at 240 days old, and then the entire league system makes sense from top to bottom, and you do not have level 68s facing lvl 79s in Regional Pro.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4953841


No thanks. RPro is fine as is.
 
P@nda
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tbh, I wish we could make this happen now. I'd be happy to roll back to Day 41 and let the reshuffle commence.
 
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Originally posted by P@nda
No thanks. RPro is fine as is.


But Regional Pro won't be the same as it currently is after this change. However, I forgot that GLB can not think beyond one change to see the impact of the change and proactively fix that.
 
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Originally posted by Plankton
Originally posted by P@nda

No thanks. RPro is fine as is.


But Regional Pro won't be the same as it currently is after this change. However, I forgot that GLB can not think beyond one change to see the impact of the change and proactively fix that.


Well on second thought, I do suppose a 240 day cap league does make sense. I haven't been paying much attention to where certain ages fit in.

Maybe I should read more before I post. /fail
 
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I like the announcement and it will be good in the long run. Hurts my team that jumped pro one season early so that we could scout teams be ready for s31.
 
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rPro Elite has always been tough. How are you going to deal with the good teams still in rPro that are lvl 79 playing incoming teams that are 68ish? Even for incoming elite teams, playing another elite of a higher level is pretty rough.
 
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Yeah, Reg Pro needs to be considered more so, because you may have 32 National Pro Playoffs Teams joining Level 68 dots.

Truly think those 32 National Pro Playoff Teams need to fall into the "new 4 pro leagues" for the first season and only promote from Reginaol Pro Elite automatically for the Initial Season.


Edit: not sure the math works.


Edited by Redass Ranch on Aug 11, 2012 14:46:00
 
tpaterniti
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Related to what Vortus is asking, would you guys consider creating another age tier that is 70 capped or so at the beginning of the season? Most teams coming up from the lower levels are 66-70 when they hit regional pro. What ends up happening is you get the teams promoting that are 66-70 to start the season and the teams demoting that are 79 to start the season and this ruins these leagues for the teams promoting. The teams demoting are the crappy teams who couldn't cut it in Pro. The teams promoting are excellent teams who went deep into the playoffs in Semi-Pro. But with no age tier for leagues here the system punishes the excellent teams and gives the crappy ones demoting a chance to go 15-1 or 16-0 because they are playing under leveled players. I sent a long PM with tons of examples from regional pro to another admin that demonstrate this problem. But an easy fix would just be to make another age tier so that the teams promoting from semi-pro do not get put in a league with the teams demoting from pro. Or another way to say it is so that teams demoting from Pro can't drop down and pwn underleveled players.
Edited by tpaterniti on Aug 11, 2012 14:53:57
 
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Woot!
 
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Originally posted by P@nda
No thanks. RPro is fine as is.


Umm, no.

Originally posted by me
There is no other league level where you can basically say, no i don't want to move up with my age group. I want to stay in this league and compete against much younger players. It really makes no sense. Regional Pro should fit in as for teams with players level 68-76 and in the event that all the Pro leagues are jam packed with no CPUs at all then I could see teams that couldn't cut it there being dropped to regional pro.

As for specific teams I would be glad to go over some examples with you.

Hawaiian Kings
S27 http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=27&team_id=165 went 7-9 in SAPL were allowed to drop down to regional pro elite where they dominated their conference as you might expect
S28 http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=28&team_id=165 in Regional Pro elite they went 13-3 regular season, lost league championship game by 1 point, were as many as 10 levels higher than their opponents during the season. Basically they wrecked this conference for the teams that came up from semi-pro because the level difference was so drastic.
S29 http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=29&team_id=165 Now in OPL, they went 7-9 again. To me 7-9 is competitive in a Pro league to the point where under no circumstances should they be allowed to drop down to regional pro.

Chesapeake Panthers
S27 http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=27&team_id=5409 Went 1-15 in CPL were allowed to drop down to regional pro competitive (!)
S28 http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=28&team_id=5409 In regional pro competitive they won their regular season games by an average of 169.5 points per game, basically wrecking this conference for anyone who was actually age appropriate to the league
S29 http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=29&team_id=5409 Now in regional pro elite with all 79s they went 15-1 in the regular season. Granted they sucked in pro, but at why do we say to teams if you suck in pro you can drop down and beat down teams with much younger players? Maybe it was good for this team but bad for the 31 teams they destroyed in 2 regular seasons in regional Pro

Queen City Bobcats
S28 http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=28&team_id=536 Slightly different situation, they finished with all level 79s and I believe wanted to go pro but were told they couldn't.
S29 http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=29&team_id=536 with all 79s right from the get-go in regional pro they went 19-1, not losing a game until the championship. Again the huge level disparity basically wrecked this conference for any level-appropriate team. This is a case where to my mind they should have been promoted based on their levels but weren't.

STEEL Voodoo
S28 http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=28&team_id=2945 Similar boat as the Bobcats, went 14-4 and made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs, actually had level 79s to start season 28! They wanted to promote to Pro but were not allowed to from my understanding.
S29 http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=29&team_id=2945 Starting the season with all 79s and with a lot of other teams promoting they demolished regional pro elite going 20-0 and winning the title. Again another team that should have been promoted but was not.

Northwoods Trojans
S29 http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=28&team_id=1151 Went 16-3 last season, made it to 3rd round of the playoffs, have all level 79s, but allowed to move to regional pro elite instead of going pro???

D-town Destruction
S28 http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?season=28&team_id=4575 Went 2-14 in USA Pro, allowed to drop down to Regional Pro Competitive (!)
S29 With all level 79s from the beginning they go 15-1 in the regular season and narrowly lose a 2nd round playoff game, yet they are only moved up to regional Pro elite instead of going pro???

I know you we may have different perspectives on what regional pro should be, but if you start a team and just go up the ladder as you level up regional pro is the league you are in from levels 67-76. Open these in tabs and look at the level of the players on their team home page:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1244
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=647
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=706
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=27
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=6502
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2710
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=664
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=89
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=1834
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2796
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=5814
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2912
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=61
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=316
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=2781
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=57
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=3199
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=865
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=462
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=4268

That is 20 teams in regional pro elite with an average player level between 67 and 69, 3 other teams are either full CPU or mostly there. What do you think these teams with level 79s will do to that league? On day 1 of the season they will be at least7-9 levels higher than at least 23 or so other teams in the league. Basically regional pro elite the last 2 seasons has not been much of a contest for about most of the teams in the league because every season there are 5 or 6 teams either allowed to drop down from pro with all level 79s or who did very, very well in regional pro competitive and now have all level 79s who are not forced to promote to pro who just destroy all of the teams who did it the right way and came up through the system the way it is designed to work.


Hence my question/suggestion above:

Originally posted by tpaterniti
Related to what Vortus is asking, would you guys consider creating another age tier that is 70 capped or so at the beginning of the season? Most teams coming up from the lower levels are 66-70 when they hit regional pro. What ends up happening is you get the teams promoting that are 66-70 to start the season and the teams demoting that are 79 to start the season and this ruins these leagues for the teams promoting. The teams demoting are the crappy teams who couldn't cut it in Pro. The teams promoting are excellent teams who went deep into the playoffs in Semi-Pro. But with no age tier for leagues here the system punishes the excellent teams and gives the crappy ones demoting a chance to go 15-1 or 16-0 because they are playing under leveled players. I sent a long PM with tons of examples from regional pro to another admin that demonstrate this problem. But an easy fix would just be to make another age tier so that the teams promoting from semi-pro do not get put in a league with the teams demoting from pro. Or another way to say it is so that teams demoting from Pro can't drop down and pwn underleveled players.


Edited by tpaterniti on Aug 11, 2012 14:58:10
Edited by tpaterniti on Aug 11, 2012 14:57:28
 
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Love the idea, great job
 
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Originally posted by tpaterniti
Related to what Vortus is asking, would you guys consider creating another age tier that is 70 capped or so at the beginning of the season? Most teams coming up from the lower levels are 66-70 when they hit regional pro. What ends up happening is you get the teams promoting that are 66-70 to start the season and the teams demoting that are 79 to start the season and this ruins these leagues for the teams promoting. The teams demoting are the crappy teams who couldn't cut it in Pro. The teams promoting are excellent teams who went deep into the playoffs in Semi-Pro. But with no age tier for leagues here the system punishes the excellent teams and gives the crappy ones demoting a chance to go 15-1 or 16-0 because they are playing under leveled players. I sent a long PM with tons of examples from regional pro to another admin that demonstrate this problem. But an easy fix would just be to make another age tier so that the teams promoting from semi-pro do not get put in a league with the teams demoting from pro. Or another way to say it is so that teams demoting from Pro can't drop down and pwn underleveled players.


I tend to agree with this..

even 1 year of having to face teams with a 1 season and huge lev advantage is unfair.. .

On top of that you get the teams demoting that are max lex that will own the under lev teams. and get re promoted again.... right back where they could not hack it before.. not cause they got better. Because they got dropped on under lev teams..
can we at least drop all the demoted teams in together and let the new teams play at there lev,,,

seems that would make it fun and fair all the way up
 
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User suggested, GLB approved.
 
tpaterniti
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Yes. I am not trying to dog teams that can't cut it at the Pro level. There will always be more causal players and teams full of them like this. But put them all with each other instead of letting them beat down on players 10 levels lower.
 
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I love it, I do also think all 32 playoff teams currently in pro should make up the first pro league season
 
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