Warrior General Games

No attempt to block these guys

Tackles have ~80 vision and agility

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2055239&pbp_id=9499360
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2055239&pbp_id=9500116
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2055239&pbp_id=9499667
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2055239&pbp_id=9499723
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2055239&pbp_id=9500810
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2055239&pbp_id=9500584

Open up the builds on the OTs.

What this looks like to me is OT's who drop back too quickly. That's a build issue. Usually a result of FirstStep, but high agility/speed can have a similar effect.

Thanks for putting up multiple replays - makes our job easier.


Fish

So Olinemen can be penalized for having to high agility/speed?

Originally posted by GroovyCheetah
So Olinemen can be penalized for having to high agility/speed?

most all single back pass plays run the risk of the LT dropping back way too far too fast and giving up the hurry/sack.

Will post builds. Players would rather not open them until after playoffs.

LOTs
ROBERT HAWKINS (OT)
Strength:
135.11 (+35)
Blocking:
87.11
Speed:
53.34
Tackling:
8
Agility:
74.74
Throwing:
8
Jumping:
7.6
Catching:
8
Stamina:
24.74
Carrying:
8
Vision:
78.71
Kicking:
8
Confidence:
30.11
Punting:
8
Current Bonuses/Penalties
Attribute Bonus
Hold block chance +18%

Pass Blocking Abilities
0
0
0
0
0
Run Blocking Abilities
0
0
0
0
0
Additional Abilities
0


OT Moreballs
Strength:
133.11 (+38)
Blocking:
85.11
Speed:
54.34
Tackling:
8
Agility:
79.34
Throwing:
8
Jumping:
6
Catching:
8
Stamina:
50.34
Carrying:
8
Vision:
78.11
Kicking:
8
Confidence:
66.11
Punting:
8
Current Bonuses/Penalties
Attribute Bonus
Hold block chance +13%

Pass Blocking Abilities
0
0
0
0
0
Run Blocking Abilities
0
1
0
0
0
Additional Abilities
0


ROTs
Runnin' Fool
Strength:
141.11 (+41)
Blocking:
94.11
Speed:
60.34
Tackling:
8
Agility:
78.34
Throwing:
8
Jumping:
6
Catching:
8
Stamina:
23.34
Carrying:
8
Vision:
47.11
Kicking:
8
Confidence:
54.11
Punting:
8
Current Energy and Morale
Energy:
70
Morale:
100
(+2.1)
Current Bonuses/Penalties
Attribute Bonus
Strength +4.2
Hold block chance +16%

Pass Blocking Abilities
0
0
0
0
0
Run Blocking Abilities
1
1
1
1
1
Additional Abilities
0


Burt Reynolds
Strength:
140.11 (+40)
Blocking:
93.11
Speed:
60.34
Tackling:
8
Agility:
81.34
Throwing:
8
Jumping:
6
Catching:
8
Stamina:
23.34
Carrying:
8
Vision:
47.11
Kicking:
8
Confidence:
55.11
Punting:
8
Current Energy and Morale
Energy:
70
Morale:
100
(+2.1)
Current Bonuses/Penalties
Attribute Bonus
Strength +4.2
Hold block chance +16%

Pass Blocking Abilities
0
0
0
0
0
Run Blocking Abilities
1
4
1
1
1
Additional Abilities
0

Originally posted by bigtisme
most all single back pass plays run the risk of the LT dropping back way too far too fast and giving up the hurry/sack.

Isn't that a "sim issue" rather than a "build issue"? In other words, how can that be WAI?

Originally posted by Antonine
Isn't that a "sim issue" rather than a "build issue"? In other words, how can that be WAI?

I 100% agree its a sim issue tbh.

That's a well known issue with first step and slow QBs. If the QB was a high agility QB it wouldn't happen, but then if the QB was high agility his pass quality would be so low he would throw a high percentage of bad passes.

I have a team that same age with OTs that have similar builds. I've seen this happen occasionally, but not with any consistency. All of your replays are from one game. Have you seen it a lot in other games as well? I'm just trying to figure out if it has more to do with the DEs' builds than yours.

It might have been a blocking assignment screwup with the C intending to cover the guy on the G and the G to cover the OT spots allowing OT to cover the outside. It is weird but I've seen it happen many times and ONLY ever seen it when the d-line was in spread formation (didn't bother checking all the replays here but the 3 I saw were also in spread formation for the d-line). Seems to cause screwups in the blocking assignments if the DT/NT are fast enough to grab the G and strong enough to hold the C in place as well.

And if it is the DE's build causing it, be curious to know cause those speed/agility numbers on the oline did not look abnormal or unreasonable at all. Maybe something with Jump the Snap VA or something but that would be odd I think as well.

That team's DEs only had 20 sacks on the season, so it doesn't seem like it's a rampant problem.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2056148&pbp_id=9879386
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2056148&pbp_id=9881002

A couple more from today

Spread DL like you say West

Originally posted by JoeRule124
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2056148&pbp_id=9879386
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2056148&pbp_id=9881002

A couple more from today

Spread DL like you say West

Notice how slow the QB is. That's the issue when you have first step on your O line. I've seen it where guards drop back so fast DTs come through and get the QB. It's not the build of the O line, it's the QB. People build em like slugs so they don't take a pass quality hit from moving.

Originally posted by Dr. E
Notice how slow the QB is. That's the issue when you have first step on your O line.

he did post the builds for the OL...unless he's lying none of those dots appear to have FS.

Originally posted by bigtisme
he did post the builds for the OL...unless he's lying none of those dots appear to have FS.

they are fast though, so same issue with a slow QB. Bet if he puts on his basic equipment and jacks up the agility/speed on that QB the issue goes away. Simple little test.