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We all know the Power rankings do not mean very much. They give us something to discuss in the forums, and one of the reasons why this Leagues forum is one of the most active in all of GLB.

However, the rankings have gotten progressively worse every season since they were created. Part of the factual information the rankings would take into consideration in their calculations is Offense and Defense rankings, points scored and points allowed.

Maybe some of you already know this and have noticed this a long time ago, but the information doesn't add up any more. I didn't notice this until about 20 minutes ago. I didn't check all the teams in the League, but I went through about a dozen teams and the Offense and Defense rankings according to the GLB match-up pages don't correspond to what the Script is spitting out.

So the reason I am starting this thread, is to find out who in GLB are the best Script writers, and let's ask them if they can create a new version that works and is more accurate. I only say this because these Power rankings have been such a huge part of our forum since Rookie level. We might as well try and get someone to make us one that works better.

Thoughts?

Discuss!

pabst is the guy who is considered the Greasemonkey guru on the GLB thread for all scripts.
He creates scripts by request, fixes and adjusts existing ones, explains the math and formula, etc.

Another guy with a lot of Greasemonkey credits is monsterkill.

pabst ---->>>> http://goallineblitz.com/game/home.pl?user_id=159535

Originally posted by OrangeBurt
pabst is the guy who is considered the Greasemonkey guru on the GLB thread for all scripts.
He creates scripts by request, fixes and adjusts existing ones, explains the math and formula, etc.

Another guy with a lot of Greasemonkey credits is monsterkill.


This! Pabst is awesome!!!!!

I sent Pabst a PM about this so we will see what he says

I am shocked that nobody has made a real good script for the rankings. Seems like they made that one and never made it any better.

Originally posted by bdnannac
I am shocked that nobody has made a real good script for the rankings. Seems like they made that one and never made it any better.

Well, here is the weird part. They seem to all spit out the same info. Below is Season 17 "Fix" and Season 16 "Fix" Created by 2 different people

Season 17 Power Rankings "Fix" Script
Rnk ..... Off ..... Def .... SoS ........... W-L-T... Team
1.. ........ 7 ........ 1 ........ 0.320 ........ 5-0...... Rocky Mountain Outlaws
2.. ........ 5 ........ 7 ........ 0.520 ........ 4-1...... East Coast Tide
3.. ........ 2 ........ 3 ........ 0.400 ........ 5-0...... MUSTANG NATION "Touchy Fillies"
4.. ........ 4 ........ 6 ........ 0.280 ........ 5-0...... Dark Nightmare
5.. ........ 6 ........ 8 ........ 0.520 ........ 4-1...... Rising Brownies
6.. ........ 8 ........ 2 ........ 0.200 ........ 5-0...... Panama City Jaguars
7.. ...... 10 ........ 9 ........ 0.280 ........ 5-0...... Nerd Herd Gators
8.. ........ 3 ...... 10 ........ 0.400 ........ 4-1...... ReDisturbed ™
9.. ...... 13 ........ 4 ........ 0.240 ........ 5-0...... Zambia Zombies
10 ...... 12 ...... 11 ........ 0.600 ........ 3-2...... Rome Renegades
11 ........ 1 ........ 5 ........ 0.120 ........ 5-0...... Underground Dragons
12 ...... 15 ...... 13 ........ 0.480 ........ 3-2...... Bus Drivers in THE HOOD
13 ...... 17 ...... 17 ........ 0.440 ........ 3-2...... Iron Dukies
14 ...... 19 ...... 20 ........ 0.600 ........ 2-3...... Dallas Super Stars
15 ...... 18 ...... 14 ........ 0.640 ........ 2-3...... The Hugo Underground
16 ...... 11 ...... 18 ........ 0.200 ........ 4-1...... Underground Empire
17 ...... 22 ...... 16 ........ 0.440 ........ 3-2...... American Empire
17 ...... 20 ...... 15 ........ 0.720 ........ 1-4...... Silver River Reversalists
17 ...... 28 ...... 23 ........ 0.760 ........ 1-4...... Windy City Bears
17 ...... 26 ...... 24 ........ 0.800 ........ 0-5...... Justice League
17 ........ 9 ...... 12 ........ 0.600 ........ 2-3...... Breese Racers LU
17 ...... 23 ...... 26 ........ 0.600 ........ 2-3...... Gotland Gladiators
23 ...... 14 ...... 19 ........ 0.600 ........ 2-3...... Fayettenam Vets
24 ...... 24 ...... 27 ........ 0.520 ........ 1-4...... Long Island Lemmings
25 ...... 25 ...... 28 ........ 0.560 ........ 1-4...... The Underground Superstars
26 ...... 16 ...... 25 ........ 0.360 ........ 2-3...... Parry Gripp's Tiny Avatar Village
27 ...... 27 ...... 29 ........ 0.720 ........ 0-5...... Dominaria Planeswalkers
28 ...... 30 ...... 22 ........ 0.720 ........ 0-5...... 80's Toons Coin Ops
29 ...... 31 ...... 30 ........ 0.800 ........ 0-5...... Miami Hammerheads
30 ...... 21 ...... 21 ........ 0.360 ........ 1-4...... Michigan Legends
31 ...... 29 ...... 31 ........ 0.720 ........ 0-5...... Cheetahs
32 ...... 32 ...... 32 ........ 0.480 ........ 0-5...... NewYorker Lions Braunschweig


NEXT WEEK'S MATCHUPS
Exp Score  Matchup
  12 -     3    Underground Dragons (5-0) def. Nerd Herd Gators (5-0)
  10 -     6    Dark Nightmare (5-0) def. Rising Brownies (4-1)
  66 -     0    East Coast Tide (4-1) def. Windy City Bears (1-4)
  42 -   14    Underground Empire (4-1) def. Dallas Super Stars (2-3)
  73 -     2    Iron Dukies (3-2) def. Cheetahs (0-5)
  30 -   10    Bus Drivers in THE HOOD (3-2) def. American Empire (3-2)
  15 -     0    Silver River Reversalists (1-4) def. 80's Toons Coin Ops (0-5)
    9 -     9    Justice League (0-5) ties Long Island Lemmings (1-4)
  26 -     0    Panama City Jaguars (5-0) def. Rome Renegades (3-2)
  69 -     0    Rocky Mountain Outlaws (5-0) def. Gotland Gladiators (2-3)
  20 -     3    MUSTANG NATION "Touchy Fillies" (5-0) def. ReDisturbed ™ (4-1)
  72 -     0    Zambia Zombies (5-0) def. Dominaria Planeswalkers (0-5)
  32 -     7    The Hugo Underground (2-3) def. The Underground Superstars (1-4)
  46 -     9    Breese Racers LU (2-3) def. Michigan Legends (1-4)
  42 -   34    Fayettenam Vets (2-3) def. Parry Gripp's Tiny Avatar Village (2-3)
    3 -     0    Miami Hammerheads (0-5) def. NewYorker Lions Braunschweig (0-5)

Season 16 Power Rankings "Fix" Script
Rank ... Offense ... Deffense .... SoS ...... W-L-T Team
1.. ........ 7 ........ 1 ........ 0.320 ........ 5-0...... Rocky Mountain Outlaws
2.. ........ 5 ........ 7 ........ 0.520 ........ 4-1...... East Coast Tide
3.. ........ 2 ........ 3 ........ 0.400 ........ 5-0...... MUSTANG NATION "Touchy Fillies"
4.. ........ 4 ........ 6 ........ 0.280 ........ 5-0...... Dark Nightmare
5.. ........ 6 ........ 8 ........ 0.520 ........ 4-1...... Rising Brownies
6.. ........ 8 ........ 2 ........ 0.200 ........ 5-0...... Panama City Jaguars
7.. ...... 10 ........ 9 ........ 0.280 ........ 5-0...... Nerd Herd Gators
8.. ........ 3 ...... 10 ........ 0.400 ........ 4-1...... ReDisturbed ™
9.. ...... 13 ........ 4 ........ 0.240 ........ 5-0...... Zambia Zombies
10 ...... 12 ...... 11 ........ 0.600 ........ 3-2...... Rome Renegades
11 ........ 1 ........ 5 ........ 0.120 ........ 5-0...... Underground Dragons
12 ...... 15 ...... 13 ........ 0.480 ........ 3-2...... Bus Drivers in THE HOOD
13 ...... 17 ...... 17 ........ 0.440 ........ 3-2...... Iron Dukies
14 ...... 19 ...... 20 ........ 0.600 ........ 2-3...... Dallas Super Stars
15 ...... 18 ...... 14 ........ 0.640 ........ 2-3...... The Hugo Underground
16 ...... 11 ...... 18 ........ 0.200 ........ 4-1...... Underground Empire
17 ...... 22 ...... 16 ........ 0.440 ........ 3-2...... American Empire
17 ...... 20 ...... 15 ........ 0.720 ........ 1-4...... Silver River Reversalists
17 ...... 28 ...... 23 ........ 0.760 ........ 1-4...... Windy City Bears
17 ...... 26 ...... 24 ........ 0.800 ........ 0-5...... Justice League
17 ........ 9 ...... 12 ........ 0.600 ........ 2-3...... Breese Racers LU
17 ...... 23 ...... 26 ........ 0.600 ........ 2-3...... Gotland Gladiators
23 ...... 14 ...... 19 ........ 0.600 ........ 2-3...... Fayettenam Vets
24 ...... 24 ...... 27 ........ 0.520 ........ 1-4...... Long Island Lemmings
25 ...... 25 ...... 28 ........ 0.560 ........ 1-4...... The Underground Superstars
26 ...... 16 ...... 25 ........ 0.360 ........ 2-3...... Parry Gripp's Tiny Avatar Village
27 ...... 27 ...... 29 ........ 0.720 ........ 0-5...... Dominaria Planeswalkers
28 ...... 30 ...... 22 ........ 0.720 ........ 0-5...... 80's Toons Coin Ops
29 ...... 31 ...... 30 ........ 0.800 ........ 0-5...... Miami Hammerheads
30 ...... 21 ...... 21 ........ 0.360 ........ 1-4...... Michigan Legends
31 ...... 29 ...... 31 ........ 0.720 ........ 0-5...... Cheetahs
32 ...... 32 ...... 32 ........ 0.480 ........ 0-5...... NewYorker Lions Braunschweig


NEXT GAME'S MATCHUPS
Exp Score  Matchup
  12 -     3    Underground Dragons (5-0) def. Nerd Herd Gators (5-0)
  10 -     6    Dark Nightmare (5-0) def. Rising Brownies (4-1)
  66 -     0    East Coast Tide (4-1) def. Windy City Bears (1-4)
  42 -   14    Underground Empire (4-1) def. Dallas Super Stars (2-3)
  73 -     2    Iron Dukies (3-2) def. Cheetahs (0-5)
  30 -   10    Bus Drivers in THE HOOD (3-2) def. American Empire (3-2)
  15 -     0    Silver River Reversalists (1-4) def. 80's Toons Coin Ops (0-5)
    9 -     9    Justice League (0-5) ties Long Island Lemmings (1-4)
  26 -     0    Panama City Jaguars (5-0) def. Rome Renegades (3-2)
  69 -     0    Rocky Mountain Outlaws (5-0) def. Gotland Gladiators (2-3)
  20 -     3    MUSTANG NATION "Touchy Fillies" (5-0) def. ReDisturbed ™ (4-1)
  72 -     0    Zambia Zombies (5-0) def. Dominaria Planeswalkers (0-5)
  32 -     7    The Hugo Underground (2-3) def. The Underground Superstars (1-4)
  46 -     9    Breese Racers LU (2-3) def. Michigan Legends (1-4)
  42 -   34    Fayettenam Vets (2-3) def. Parry Gripp's Tiny Avatar Village (2-3)
    3 -     0    Miami Hammerheads (0-5) def. NewYorker Lions Braunschweig (0-5)

From:
pabst
Date Sent:
Jan 10, 2012 19:02:06
Subject:
Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Could you possibly help with script?
If I'm reading the script correctly, this is not actually a problem at all. The offense & defense rankings of the script are different from the ones on the matchup page because the script is calculating them differently from the way GLB does. GLB just calculates the teams total yardage gained/allowed and whoever has the most/least gets to be the best offense/defense. The script is doing an Elo calculation to get the expected score of each game which is used to derive the offense/defense rankings. The actual yardage gained, which is where GLB gets it's score, has nothing to do with it. The script ranking is based solely on the final score and the quality of the opponent.

Originally posted by whodey08
From:
pabst
Date Sent:
Jan 10, 2012 19:02:06
Subject:
Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: Could you possibly help with script?
If I'm reading the script correctly, this is not actually a problem at all. The offense & defense rankings of the script are different from the ones on the matchup page because the script is calculating them differently from the way GLB does. GLB just calculates the teams total yardage gained/allowed and whoever has the most/least gets to be the best offense/defense. The script is doing an Elo calculation to get the expected score of each game which is used to derive the offense/defense rankings. The actual yardage gained, which is where GLB gets it's score, has nothing to do with it. The script ranking is based solely on the final score and the quality of the opponent.

Maybe that is why the score predictions are always so far off. If a defense is giving up the least yards allowed and points, then the predictions are going to be off if the script is taking into account all fumbles and INT's returned for TD's which is the offense's fault, and all KO and Punt return TD's which is the ST fault. Vics versa, the offense is looking fictitiously better than it is if they are taking defensive scores and ST TD's into account . Unless it isn't possible for a script to distinguish between the 2, I'd assume one would want it to take only the defense and offense production.