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jkid2
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There is an issue with FS/SS overpursuing HB/FB on coverage routes at low levels. They simply run by the HB/FB for no reason when in man coverage. I don't want to post replays because I would have to basically post every play, but I just wanted to point this out.
Edited by VolBrian on Aug 3, 2011 07:48:06 (Not likely a bug)
 
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Originally posted by jkid2
I don't want to post replays because I would have to basically post every play, but I just wanted to point this out.


Could you at least define "low level"? Are we talking peewee dots, sophomore dots, or non-national-pro dots?
 
Jay Gold
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He means pee-wee primarily. I've seen this occurrence a lot as well. Which is why I stopped having safeties cover the backs.

It still should be looked into and not be completely ignored or considered as "Oh, it's just lolpeewee. Working as intended."

 
Jay Gold
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Just for one example amongst the dozens upon dozens that I've seen.
Pretty much all of them net the same result:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1748465&pbp_id=5381160
 
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I think part of that has to do with the lack of agility/CD SA that you see at the higher lvl, and part of that is the RB is makin a cut back. Its not like overpursuit is a bug as much as part of dotball.
 
jkid2
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Originally posted by Jay Gold
He means pee-wee primarily. I've seen this occurrence a lot as well. Which is why I stopped having safeties cover the backs.

It still should be looked into and not be completely ignored or considered as "Oh, it's just lolpeewee. Working as intended."



This basically summarizes what I was saying.
 
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Originally posted by jtrav21
I think part of that has to do with the lack of agility/CD SA that you see at the higher lvl, and part of that is the RB is makin a cut back. Its not like overpursuit is a bug as much as part of dotball.


try building a peewee team and then posting comments like that

...imo there is really no logic to it at peewee level ...if dots lack vision and agility or CD SA at such a low level to sustain reasonable coverage, then make their angle of pursuits lacking or a slower reaction time (keep in mind that the offense has the same lack of vision, agility and SAs), but to have the outside coverage run off the screen and not be in any way accountable is just unreasonable for a strategy game such as this regardless of the level ...as a DC at peewee level, it is not manageable coz switching to zone coverage doesn't resolve the issue coz those dots don't respond well to it and zone coverage is virtually useless for them at that stage of their development ...from my observations, coverage assignments and dot placements really don't have a say in trying to fix the problem that this issue causes

...it may be that we are building the dots wrong, and/or we need a different perspective on player tactics, but if these new changes to the game have affected peewee in such a way, then we should be provided with a better understanding of how this affects us, so that we can obtain better value from our investments in this game!
 
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Originally posted by ManOgwaR

...imo there is really no logic to it at peewee level ...if dots lack vision and agility or CD SA at such a low level to sustain reasonable coverage, then make their angle of pursuits lacking or a slower reaction time (keep in mind that the offense has the same lack of vision, agility and SAs), but to have the outside coverage run off the screen and not be in any way accountable is just unreasonable for a strategy game such as this regardless of the level ...as a DC at peewee level, it is not manageable coz switching to zone coverage doesn't resolve the issue coz those dots don't respond well to it and zone coverage is virtually useless for them at that stage of their development ...from my observations, coverage assignments and dot placements really don't have a say in trying to fix the problem that this issue causes

...it may be that we are building the dots wrong, and/or we need a different perspective on player tactics, but if these new changes to the game have affected peewee in such a way, then we should be provided with a better understanding of how this affects us, so that we can obtain better value from our investments in this game!


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I've had to quit using the FS and SS to cover Hbs one on one. In shotgun and Singleback they get destroyed.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1748396&pbp_id=4396182 (LB is no help)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1748396&pbp_id=4396874

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1748396&pbp_id=4397184
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1748396&pbp_id=4397217

Tried using a zone to help which didn't help much
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1759956&pbp_id=4952953
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1759956&pbp_id=4954665
 
jkid2
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Originally posted by LordEvil
I've had to quit using the FS and SS to cover Hbs one on one. In shotgun and Singleback they get destroyed.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1748396&pbp_id=4396182 (LB is no help)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1748396&pbp_id=4396874

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1748396&pbp_id=4397184
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1748396&pbp_id=4397217

Tried using a zone to help which didn't help much
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1759956&pbp_id=4952953
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1759956&pbp_id=4954665


What do you suggest using to cover HBs then?
 
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Originally posted by jkid2
There is an issue with FS/SS overpursuing HB/FB on coverage routes at low levels. They simply run by the HB/FB for no reason when in man coverage. I don't want to post replays because I would have to basically post every play, but I just wanted to point this out.


Too much speed, not enough agility and/or vision.
 
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Originally posted by jkid2
There is an issue with FS/SS overpursuing HB/FB on coverage routes at low levels. They simply run by the HB/FB for no reason when in man coverage. I don't want to post replays because I would have to basically post every play, but I just wanted to point this out.


Too much speed, not enough agility and/or vision.

Put your safety up on the LOS, he wont have that issue.
 
Jay Gold
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Today I tried this being I was playing a CPU team.
It actually did work on a few plays, but not on others.
I'll have to check my Defense AI to see if I can catch why this is so.
 
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