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If you were to do your own ranking system, which would you use as the main stat to base your overall offensive & defensive rankings on, yardage or points?

For example, say you had two teams in contention for the #1 offense. Team-A has the most offensive yardage and the 3rd most offensive points while Team-B has the 3rd most offensive yardage and the most offensive points scored. Who would you give the #1 offensive rank to?

Same question on the defensive side. Team-A has allowed the fewest yards and has given up the 3rd fewest points while Team-B has allowed the 3rd fewest yards and has given up the fewest points.

Also, how would you factor in defensive scores into the defensive ranking equation? Maybe subtract the points the defense has scored away from the points it has given up?

Thoughts?

Offense, yardage,
special teams can set you up for easy scores, plus I think FGs are also added to total points.

Just my opinion

Defense same thing, less yards is better than allowing a few more points, again special teams in this fucked special team sim can easily ruing a defenses perfect day

I am working on a way to separate ST points from the offensive & defensive points.

This is what I am initially thinking...

Offense:
Total Return points scored = (KR-TD's x 7) + (PR-TD's x 7)
Total Defensive points scored = (INT TD's x 7) + (Fumble TD's x 7)
Total Offensive points scored = Points Scored - Total Return Points scored - Total Defensive Points scored
*this presumes any missed XP's were on offensive TD's, not ST or Def TD's. Too hard to separate those out.

Defense:
Total Defensive points scored = (INT TD's x 7) + (Fumble TD's x 7)
Total Defensive points allowed = (Pass TD's allowed x 7) + (Rush TD's allowed x 7) + (FG allowed x 3)
Total ST points allowed = Points Allowed - Total Defensive points allowed.
*to get the total # of ST TD's, just divide the total ST points allowed by 7 and then round down to the nearest whole number. This should pull missed XP's out of the equation.

My math sound right?

I tend to look more at average yards per play vs total yards. So Average yards per play and then points, that determine a potency of a teams offense even if they always have good field position.

So looking more mathematically, average yards / play and then a ratio comparing offensive plays divided by points scored. With a lower number being better.

I would say, and this doesn't really answer your question, "pts allowed" if you could find a way to eliminate special teams points. Maybe have them weigh a certain percentage or value for multiple categories. Pts Scored being 1, Yards Allowed 2, 3rd Down conversion, 4th down conversion, or something weird...

Originally posted by guzzdude
I would say, and this doesn't really answer your question, "pts allowed" if you could find a way to eliminate special teams points. Maybe have them weigh a certain percentage or value for multiple categories. Pts Scored being 1, Yards Allowed 2, 3rd Down conversion, 4th down conversion, or something weird...

I do just that above. Defensive points allowed is the sum of points from all the passing TD's allowed, rushing TD's allowed, and FG's. Yes this does expect all XP's to be made, so the number might be a little off.

Then subtract this number from what the number the game gives you for total points allowed, and that should leave you with the total number of ST points and defensive points scored. Not sure how to separate those as the system doesn't keep track of when an INT or fumble is returned for a TD, only that you gave up an INT or fumble.

Points! all DAY like the GAME!

Winners and losers are separated by POINTS! That is how You know who wins...Ranks are artificial.. no points for spelling....

I would use points per game for both offense and defense, except subtracting ST TDs from the offense and defense rankings as 50%. Also, I would give points for yardage rank out of 32 with 32 being the best for both offense and 1 being the best for defense defense. Add the 2 numbers together and maybe add a little SOS multiplier at the end and that would be a way to rank them, high numbers good for offense and low numbers good for defense.

Not to make things more confusing, but I would rank scoring%. The % of times per possession a team is able to score a td. That would be most important in my book, tbh.

40% - Offense (broken down to 65% points, 35% yards)
50% - Defense (broken down to 80% points, 20% yards)
10% - ST's (100% points)

Originally posted by PING72
40% - Offense (broken down to 65% points, 35% yards)
50% - Defense (broken down to 80% points, 20% yards)
10% - ST's (100% points)

So you wouldn't factor in SoS at all?

And your ST would be on the return side only?

I also presume you would factor record into your equations some how?

Some of the possible break downs I am thinking of are...

60% - Record
15% - Offense
15% - Defense
5% - ST(returns only)
5% - SOS

-OR-

55% - Record
15% - Offense
20% - Defense
5% - ST(returns only)
5% - SOS

-OR-

50% - Record
20% - Offense
20% - Defense
5% - ST(returns only)
5% - SOS

-OR-

45% - Record
20% - Offense
25% - Defense
5% - ST(returns only)
5% - SOS

-OR-

40% - Record
20% - Offense
25% - Defense
10% - ST(returns only)
5% - SOS

If you don't like any of them, how would you split it? And remember, the offensive and defensive points will NOT include ST scores.

I think ranking by

For record, I think you go through the schedule and give each team some weighted point value for each win (and subtract a bit for each loss), based on the SoS of each opponent. The weighting factor would depend on how you're weighting stats, so that the record tally is kinda in proportion with the stats tally. The idea would be you get more points for beating a good opponent and less for a lousy one; similarly, you lose a lot of points if you get beat by an easy opponent, and you don't lose as much if you get beat by a high-ranking team. Doing this, it'll be very difficult for teams with the record to get the same tallied record statistic. I've seen a similar formula for rankings on the web before; but I just did some quick google searching and couldn't find it.

Another idea (never seen this before...but wouldn't be surprised if it's out there already) is to simulate the rest of the season based on current rankings and stats (like the fantasy predictor in the 2.6GD script), and use the final estimated record (real + "fantasy prediction") to rank everybody. Then you'd have to use something like the current O and D rankings to sort teams with the same predicted final record.

Originally posted by Gerr
Originally posted by PING72

40% - Offense (broken down to 65% points, 35% yards)
50% - Defense (broken down to 80% points, 20% yards)
10% - ST's (100% points)

So you wouldn't factor in SoS at all?

And your ST would be on the return side only?

I also presume you would factor record into your equations some how?


I just meant this as one section of 'stats'. This would be weighted with other things like record, SOS, etc.

And for ST points I should have clarified that it would be point differential for all return teams.

I'd say:

60% record
35% stats
5% SOS