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Nice post. IF people followed that advice there would be an abundance of good D-Linemen.



Edit; Should be stickied here

Nice job taut. Extremely well put together... Quite thorough.

If good DTs are running at 245 Strength + Agility, then what are the great ones running at. Haven't seen more than one or two higher than that. . . How many dots actually have 95 nat str/95 nat agil at any level?

So is ~1200-1250 sps considered pretty good for a dt?

Originally posted by Rod Long
If good DTs are running at 245 Strength + Agility, then what are the great ones running at. Haven't seen more than one or two higher than that. . . How many dots actually have 95 nat str/95 nat agil at any level?

Are there any great DTs any more?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1604560 - he's at 249 and barely did anything

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1901751 - he should end up at 252 with significantly less speed. I think I'm going to try 3 BB% pieces and put most of his sp from here on out in wall and break through after I second cap tackling.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Are there any great DTs any more?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1604560 - he's at 249 and barely did anything

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1901751 - he should end up at 252 with significantly less speed. I think I'm going to try 3 BB% pieces and put most of his sp from here on out in wall and break through after I second cap tackling.





Believe me. I hear yeah. My level 67 is at 98.11 str/99.11 agil w 75 speed. Granted he isn't rounded out but sweet baby jeebus. My 66 is at 97.66/97.66 w 78 speed. The 67 took half+ snaps at long snapper / facepalmcoordinator. They won't get vision or tackling as high but seemed to do marginally better when I started into workout warrior. Having gone the bb% route I'm gonna try fs + strong base to see if I can get some bump n run separation during the dropback. like you said elsewhere when a perfect scenario crazy good build bordering on ridiculous has no impact whys spend more $ on dts. Ever. It can never work out well unless you sandbag down a league. And even then....you are still a dt. If I can get him lined up at end and take the positional hit, fuck it. Four sacks a year is ghey. And I just saw that my 66 won a lolhurry trophy. FML.


As I've said before...the problem is the quarterbacks vision cone and ability to step up into a collapsed pocket and complete hurried throws god forbid not get them away in the first place. But offense sells flex. Maybe a labor strike would help. Scabs wouldn't put up better numbers

Originally posted by Rod Long
If good DTs are running at 245 Strength + Agility, then what are the great ones running at. Haven't seen more than one or two higher than that. . . How many dots actually have 95 nat str/95 nat agil at any level?

This guy was very effective imo: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1602287&playoffs=0

He was running at 146.5 / 97.5


There may be a point at which DTs can get "over the top" of the O-line through sheer Strength/Agility numbers and start to dominate on that basis, but the best DTs I have seen aren't taking that approach.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by Rod Long

If good DTs are running at 245 Strength + Agility, then what are the great ones running at. Haven't seen more than one or two higher than that. . . How many dots actually have 95 nat str/95 nat agil at any level?

Are there any great DTs any more?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1604560 - he's at 249 and barely did anything

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1901751 - he should end up at 252 with significantly less speed. I think I'm going to try 3 BB% pieces and put most of his sp from here on out in wall and break through after I second cap tackling.




I think it's all about expectations. There are a few DTs that are pretty effective pass rushers, but none that are really dominant. There are definitely DTs that are extremely effective run-stuffers...they just aren't as flashy. A great DT is critical to a team's success, but they aren't going to be in the MVP race and aren't going to have a ton of flashy plays. That doesn't mean that they aren't contributing in extremely important ways to the defense.

Originally posted by Rod Long


Believe me. I hear yeah. My level 67 is at 98.11 str/99.11 agil w 75 speed. Granted he isn't rounded out but sweet baby jeebus. My 66 is at 97.66/97.66 w 78 speed. The 67 took half+ snaps at long snapper / facepalmcoordinator. They won't get vision or tackling as high but seemed to do marginally better when I started into workout warrior. Having gone the bb% route I'm gonna try fs + strong base to see if I can get some bump n run separation during the dropback. like you said elsewhere when a perfect scenario crazy good build bordering on ridiculous has no impact whys spend more $ on dts. Ever. It can never work out well unless you sandbag down a league. And even then....you are still a dt. If I can get him lined up at end and take the positional hit, fuck it. Four sacks a year is ghey. And I just saw that my 66 won a lolhurry trophy. FML.


As I've said before...the problem is the quarterbacks vision cone and ability to step up into a collapsed pocket and complete hurried throws god forbid not get them away in the first place. But offense sells flex. Maybe a labor strike would help. Scabs wouldn't put up better numbers


This reminds of a PM I received from Coach Viking about 10 seasons ago complaining about a MEM dots that had simply grotesque Strength/Agility/Speed number...and was basically a pylon. He was a DE that literally had 30 more points of combined strength/agility/speed than any of my DEs.

Similarly, I have seen quite a few DTs/DEs with significatly higher Strength/Agility/Speed than my current MPHD d-line...but they all get regularly out-performed by my D-line.

Maybe, just maybe....building great dots does not just mean capping your primaries higher than everyone else on the block.

Here's another way to think about it:

Everybody in GLB: Hey my DT has crazy high Strength/Agility/Speed and he sucks! What the hell is wrong with this place?

Answer: You must need more Strength/Agility/Speed!

Originally posted by tautology
Here's another way to think about it:

Everybody in GLB: Hey my DT has crazy high Strength/Agility/Speed and he sucks! What the hell is wrong with this place?

Answer: You must need more Strength/Agility/Speed!



still trying to get sacks like these again
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=936139&pbp_id=10004067

instead of all the DT sacks looking like
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1706553&pbp_id=10543027

Originally posted by tautology
This guy was very effective imo: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1602287&playoffs=0


http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1315230&playoffs=0 - This one had arguably a better season
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1425483&playoffs=0 - same here
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1447208&playoffs=0 - I guess you could say this one had a good season as well.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1606722&playoffs=0 - I've seen this build. It's kind of funny because nothing about it really makes it better than a bunch of other DT builds I've seen. Just had good fortune with tactics (Was "outside" rusher on his side quite a bit) and situation where he was pass rushing.


Does anything really make
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1425483&playoffs=0
a better pass rusher than
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1604560&playoffs=0

or is it mostly playing in different conferences and in different situations?


Edit:

Do we really want to get to a place where every DT is going to be built like

155 strength
95 agility
85 tackling
70 vision
65 speed
65 stamina
55 confidence
30 jumping
10 wall
10 break through
15% BB

a few extra sp for an additional SA or to bump an attribute or wall/BT

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
still trying to get sacks like these again
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=936139&pbp_id=10004067

instead of all the DT sacks looking like
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1706553&pbp_id=10543027

yeah essentially the best i can hope for now...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1711133&pbp_id=11240293

wasn't a fair fight.

I miss the Tunnel Vision, 3% BB piece my DT Sienna Miller had back in the day that got her some real nice seasons. I also miss that time when DT's could do things.

If you're going to get all braggy about your builds, you should at least open them up or PM them to me.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
If you're going to get all braggy about your builds, you should at least open them up or PM them to me.

I HAZ THEM ALL