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Rage Kinard
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LDE should be covering HB who is in his zone. When ball is thrown he runs away from the HB.

Edited by Androth on Jun 4, 2011 08:42:57 (NEEDS MORE INFO)
 
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Originally posted by Rage Kinard
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1665498&pbp_id=7663611

LDE should be covering HB who is in his zone. When ball is thrown he runs away from the HB.



What are the coverage settings of this LDE. Seems he may have given some extra space with no help over the top.
 
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Focus: Pass
Cushion: .45
Style: Semi-Aggressive

The cushion setting shouldn't matter because it is a Man Coverage Cushion and he is in a zone

semi-aggressive is go for the PD frequently and shouldn't cause defenders to run away from receiver like that.

He has between 95-100 agility (after age penalty) and he has a good amount of change direction
 
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The best part was that he missed the tackle in addition to blowing the coverage.
 
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Was he in deep, normal, shallow or immediate zone?
 
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Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Focus: Pass
Cushion: .45
Style: Semi-Aggressive

The cushion setting shouldn't matter because it is a Man Coverage Cushion and he is in a zone

semi-aggressive is go for the PD frequently and shouldn't cause defenders to run away from receiver like that.

He has between 95-100 agility (after age penalty) and he has a good amount of change direction


Yea I'm sure your right. I get confused when I think of this though.

Because when a player runs into his zone, it's his job to cover the man, right? So wouldn't his coverage tactics apply, or are you saying that when a receiver enters a zone, they are to cover him at what distance?

See what I mean?
 
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You can't expect a player to have coverage in zone like they have in man to man. Completely different situations and responsibilities.

If in man coverage, you have to run with a player all the way down the field. In zone, you only worry about your area, and are willing to let the player run past you.

In the case above, the defender goes to his spot in the assigned zone. He waits as HB closes in on him. Then after the ball is thrown he runs 4 yards away from the HB.

Watching frame by frame. At the time the ball is thrown, the DE is at the 33 and the HB is at the 35. The HB catches the ball at the 33 (almost exactly where the DE was standing at the time the ball was thrown) but the DE has run to the 28 for no apparant reason.

Even if the cushion (45) is in effect then it should only be 1.45 yards (about how much cushion there was when the ball was thrown), and the cushion should only apply to before the ball is thrown. After that, the defender is set to go for the pass defensed. He should try to bat down the ball, not run 5 yards down the field away from the receiver.
 
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If the DE is either slower or less agile than the back, he is always having to chase a spot the Back is heading too, not the spot the back is at right now.

That is what is most likely what is happening, but we need more then one replay.
 
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Originally posted by Rage Kinard
You can't expect a player to have coverage in zone like they have in man to man. Completely different situations and responsibilities.

If in man coverage, you have to run with a player all the way down the field. In zone, you only worry about your area, and are willing to let the player run past you.

In the case above, the defender goes to his spot in the assigned zone. He waits as HB closes in on him. Then after the ball is thrown he runs 4 yards away from the HB.

Watching frame by frame. At the time the ball is thrown, the DE is at the 33 and the HB is at the 35. The HB catches the ball at the 33 (almost exactly where the DE was standing at the time the ball was thrown) but the DE has run to the 28 for no apparant reason.

Even if the cushion (45) is in effect then it should only be 1.45 yards (about how much cushion there was when the ball was thrown), and the cushion should only apply to before the ball is thrown. After that, the defender is set to go for the pass defensed. He should try to bat down the ball, not run 5 yards down the field away from the receiver.


I see what your saying. I realize the reality of the difference between M2M and Zone, but how that translates into GLB can get into that fuzzy grey area for me.
 
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Originally posted by Androth
If the DE is either slower or less agile than the back, he is always having to chase a spot the Back is heading too, not the spot the back is at right now.

That is what is most likely what is happening, but we need more then one replay.


That DE is not slower or less agile than the back. In fact, the DE is significantly faster and more agile. He has almost the same speed and a lot more agility than the MLB that closes on the HB after the ball is thrown.

That DE is regularly over 35 on the speed script and like I said has over 95 agility. You will have trouble finding a play where HB hits 32 on the speed script and watching replays it is easy to tell it has nowhere near 90 agility.
 
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Originally posted by Androth
If the DE is either slower or less agile than the back, he is always having to chase a spot the Back is heading too, not the spot the back is at right now.

That is what is most likely what is happening, but we need more then one replay.


Your reading skills need work as usual.
Edited by Androth on Jun 4, 2011 08:39:36
 
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Still no new examples. moving to nmi.
 
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Rage Kinard
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Originally posted by Androth
Your reading skills need work as usual.


my reading skills are fine


If the DE is either slower or less agile than the back...That is what is most likely what is happening

 
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Ok then you should brush up on your definitions of "if" and "likely".
 
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