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Same play, same defense same TE (even very similar energy and morale)

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1603078&pbp_id=6318528 - TE get caked as should be (low STR and BLK on this dot)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1603078&pbp_id=6317904 - TE is bored with blocking.

It may be missed vision check (dot vision is 60). But a very lol one.

I don't have more example, since it is a combination of defense play and an offense play.

clearly the QB pissed him off earlier in the game. Not a bug IMO. Maybe a little reach around love in the 1st QRT would have avoided this.

Serious answer though, I bet the TE is set for run block, but still this has to be a bug and should be adjusted.

That's messed up. You would think the TE would be able to get the blitzer just as well the 2nd time.

If you go frame by frame you will see that the RE in the first replay gets a faster start (First Step maybe) off of the line so the TE immediately jumps in to help the LT block.

In the 2nd replay, the RE is taken by the C and the LT so the TE looks lost, but he should still be able to see the blitzing CB coming in afterwards.

This may have something to do with it:

Mar 27, 2011
- Fix some bugs in blocking code causing secondary blitzers (CB, FS, etc) to not get picked up very often, but make the vision checks to pick up distant blitzers harder

Blitzers are going to be harder to see when they are farther away.

1st replay the TE goes ahead and takes the RDE, gets revcaked and the LT gets the RDE while the CB tries to slip around and is picked up by the RB No problem there.

2nd replay - my interpretation is that it's likely the TE over reacted and slid out too far for the CB (especially since the CB took a wider angler the first replay) but instead the CB just shoots and slides under the block. I'm going to take it as since there's no vision check failed icon that he might've caught it but slid out too much.

Of course it's certainly feasible that the TE missed seeing the CB since he comes off the edge in which case the vision check failed icon isn't working.


Don't necessarily see this as a bug - if the TE continually whiffs and misses blocking then certainly could be something to look into.

Will PM Tragula and see if we can get some more information on this - what was the TE's play focus and if we can get more similar replays if possible.

Also what is TE agility? You already stated he only has 60 vision, so he could have misread where CB is headed, then lack agility to move back and pick up the blitz.

TE is set for run block. AGI just below 80, SPD near 100.

I agree that if this is rare it is not a huge issue.

For me it looks like the TE see no one and make a big backward step and can't come back (having SPD>AGI doesn't help here). But this kind of mechanics can be a source of something that happens more. If a dot has nothing to do, he should not move so fast that he will not be able to change direction when need to. I would be much cooler if that TE was just standing still while the CB was rushing past him.

It looks to me like the TE, when moved to the left side, occasionally takes an initial back and to the left movement as if he thinks he's forming the pocket on the right. I had the same thing recently, and I was considering submitting here. Give me a sec to go find it.

Here's one where he backs up left...
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1617295&pbp_id=5889035

These are the same play in the same game, and this time he forms the pocket correctly:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1617295&pbp_id=5893619
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1617295&pbp_id=5894889

I saw it again today: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1617407&pbp_id=11172847

The only thing I see that may be common between the 3 replays we have so far is that the TE starts the play with no clear blocking assignment, so he's just dropping back to form a pocket. That assumes that in Tragula's he doesn't see the blitzing CB before the play starts, but I think that's a reasonable assumption.

I'm prepared to call this a bug, but since it's a pretty rare one, I think it's a good idea to hold out for some more replays to try to find more commonality and recreateablility.

I saw it 2 more times. This time by my opponent:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1648728&pbp_id=12323801
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1648728&pbp_id=12323139

Again it happened when the TE had no clear assignment at the snap.

With 5 replays now, I'm going to say this is likely a bug.

One thing I notice - it only seems to happen when there is an outside blitz coming from both sides.

Looks like bug to me.

yea i think it has something to do with outside blitzs as well. But looks like a bug for sure

Locking and marking as BUG - NEEDS TO BE FILED