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hays23
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http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1565581&pbp_id=6889288

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1565614&pbp_id=6297152

two different games. same exact play call by the offense with exactly matching personnel (based on my tags its the blocking TE and the scat HB). there's only one input for this situation in my AI for these two games and there's only one output. the defense for both highlights is identical.

the LOLB is assigned to cover HB strong or zone. he runs out to cover the HB but when they intersect, the LB just sort of runs towards the flat zone and the HB runs by him for a touchdown both times.

if you need access to my AI to verify just PM me.
Edited by Androth on Feb 12, 2011 01:23:23 (No Info)
Edited by Androth on Feb 3, 2011 16:18:03 (NEEDS MORE INFO)
 
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Originally posted by hays23
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1565581&pbp_id=6889288

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1565614&pbp_id=6297152

two different games. same exact play call by the offense with exactly matching personnel (based on my tags its the blocking TE and the scat HB). there's only one input for this situation in my AI for these two games and there's only one output. the defense for both highlights is identical.

the LOLB is assigned to cover HB strong or zone. he runs out to cover the HB but when they intersect, the LB just sort of runs towards the flat zone and the HB runs by him for a touchdown both times.

if you need access to my AI to verify just PM me.



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Talcion
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Originally posted by hays23
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1565581&pbp_id=6889288

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1565614&pbp_id=6297152

two different games. same exact play call by the offense with exactly matching personnel (based on my tags its the blocking TE and the scat HB). there's only one input for this situation in my AI for these two games and there's only one output. the defense for both highlights is identical.

the LOLB is assigned to cover HB strong or zone. he runs out to cover the HB but when they intersect, the LB just sort of runs towards the flat zone and the HB runs by him for a touchdown both times.

if you need access to my AI to verify just PM me.


Has the play worked correctly at any other time when it was called?
 
hays23
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Originally posted by Talcion
Has the play worked correctly at any other time when it was called?


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1565614&pbp_id=6304168
covers the HB just fine over the middle

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1565614&pbp_id=6304202
slow to react to the HB cut. possibly because he sees the pass?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1565614&pbp_id=6304243
also slow to react to the cut.

i actually goofed. its not exactly the same defense because the HB was tagged differently...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1565581&pbp_id=6894062
still you can see here that the HB just runs right by him when he cuts...

 
hays23
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those are the only other examples i could find
 
Rikkhen
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Would still like to see ai and build.
 
rocklee711
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I know for a fact that this was brought up in a thread a week or two ago..... it's been known that anyone covering a RB that runs that "upfield" type of route will end up trailing pretty badly. I don't think it is build related but certainly worth a check on the AI just to look at the play being called.

If I can find that thread I'll post it here
Edited by rocklee711 on Feb 2, 2011 20:09:58
 
hays23
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two different linebackers getting beat on these plays...

LB1 - 133 spd, 80 agi, 75 vision, 7 super vision
LB2 - 131 spd, 79 agi, 76 vision, 8 super vision

pretty similar builds...very little reason to think that they would have some deficiency causing them to just blow an assignment that bad...
 
Talcion
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The three you posted from the HHWC is not the same Offensive Play

TE Cross Slant is the problem.

Although the quick cuts of the HB on the Shotgun Smash, might be killing your LB's...
 
hays23
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Originally posted by Talcion
The three you posted from the HHWC is not the same Offensive Play

TE Cross Slant is the problem.

Although the quick cuts of the HB on the Shotgun Smash, might be killing your LB's...


its not the same offensive play, but its the same defensive play. i posted examples of that play where that LB has to cover the HB. and he fails miserably every time.
 
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This one is simple. A combo of the build and angle along with the tactic and starting location of the LB cause him to be traveling too fast to adjust his route. I think this one is part of the new thing Bort put in this season. I had a lot of plays that looked the same so changed Dot starting locations and poof, they went away. Except for my Dots with a ton of speed.
 
Androth
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The further apart his speed and agility are the harder it is for a player to make these cuts. Also I believe what Dr. E is telling you will fix it. Meaning if you move the LOLB further to the strong side and in closer/out further he should have less trouble picking up his man, and negate the need for such a big cut. I'm going to tag this as NEEDS MORE INFO for now, and see if any other teams are having similar problems.
Edited by Androth on Feb 3, 2011 16:17:27
 
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Not sure if this is the right thread to post this replay, but our CB turned the wrong way when covering the HB today
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1569555&pbp_id=7282710
 


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