Warrior General Games

This should never, ever happen. There were 20 dots around that ball.

http://www.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1529727&pbp_id=3479338&flash=1

If you watch closely the FS recovers the ball.

Does this answer your question. If you reel the play back to the spot of the fumble, you can see the FS approach and then disappear when he grabs the ball. At lower levels it takes the players a few ticks before they recover and run, always has.

How is he able to get up and run is what I am saying? There is no way he couldn't have been down by contact with 8 defenders near him.

Hmm.. I misread the OP.

I'm going to see if we can get some more replays on fumble recoveries.

If its a widespread issue then we might have a problem. I've seen this happen before a few times. As far as the amount of ticks it takes to get up from recovering a fumble, but I haven't yet seen a play where there is obviously a pile of guys in a 3 yard radius and no tackle made.

I agree he should have been down by contact, but also agree we'll need to see it happen more then once to rule it a bug.

There is so much going on in that pile that it is almost impossible to tell if anyone touches him.

It's a pile up. Nobody gets out of a pile up running. You can't possibly argue that this is working like they want it to.

If we can get one more from a third team then I'll vote it as being a bug.

The problem Husker is having here is that we don't actually know for sure if the person recovering the ball is on the ground. His dot shrinking "infers" that he is on the ground but is not a guarantee, and at the point where we'd need to know that for sure he is covered in a pile of dots.

I however agree with the OP that a fumble most likely ends up on the ground and someone has to go to the ground to get it, meaning someone in that giant pile should have tagged him down.

http://www.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1529705&pbp_id=4121390&flash=1

Here is another. Look at all of the defenders just bouncing off of him, like he has a force field. Then you can only touch him when he gets out of the "safe zone". If he's fast enough.....POP.......he's gone. It shouldn't hapen like that. He should never get up in a pile like that.

It's almost like a Rugby scrum. . If that's how it's intended, that would be the only cool way I could think of it. For football GLB style........NO.

Going to move this along with the third replay.

LIKELY A BUG

I think the problem is we're looking at it from a realistic standpoint, but that likely isn't what is going on in the sim. That's not a pile up. One guy jumps on the ball, and then everyone on his team identifies him as the ball carrier and begins to block. Obviously the mass of bodies ends up around the ball, but they're all blocking someone from the other team, and everyone is standing up. So, eventually the ball carrier gets up and runs with it. Is it logical/realistic? probably not. But that is likely what is going on from a coding perspective.

My thinking is in line with GMathiasf with one additional piece, we don't know that they actually fell on the ball so down by contact isn't necessarily a part of the equation. Who's to say he didn't just pick the ball up and then the blockers around the ball start to engage...just food for thought.

The dot shrinks. That means he fell right?

yea, just didn't know if he picked it up on the ground or not...