Warrior General Games

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1567185&pbp_id=2684366

In this play nobody tries to block the RDE. Is this a bug with the new DPC, the play worked fine with the old one last season.


Here's one with a play from the old DPC http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1521725&pbp_id=2536972. Notice the little "governor" Bort put on the DE. It's not there in the first play.

At some point, the LOT has to release from pass blocking to block for the FB. In this replay he takes his drop to form the pocket, but releases before the DE gets to him. If the play were modified so he released later, he'd end up behind the FB.

Also, I scouted your team to see more examples of this play, and so far this season, you've run it 40 times for 37 gains with only this one sack. I don't think you can say this play isn't working this season.

Not likely a bug.

Originally posted by TruthHammer
At some point, the LOT has to release from pass blocking to block for the FB. In this replay he takes his drop to form the pocket, but releases before the DE gets to him. If the play were modified so he released later, he'd end up behind the FB.

Also, I scouted your team to see more examples of this play, and so far this season, you've run it 40 times for 37 gains with only this one sack. I don't think you can say this play isn't working this season.

Not likely a bug.

Of course it's a bug. See the edit I just put in with the second play. See how the DE stops. If you think back, most screens ended up with sacks before Bort altered the way defenses can act on the play.

Almost forgot... go back and scout again.. see how many of those screens were against the old DPC and how many the new DPC, otherwise your observation is flawed.

Originally posted by Dr. E
Here's one with a play from the old DPC http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1521725&pbp_id=2536972. Notice the little "governor" Bort put on the DE. It's not there in the first play.

The "governor" you're talking about is a chip block, and you're not guaranteed to get it every time.

Originally posted by Dr. E
Almost forgot... go back and scout again.. see how many of those screens were against the old DPC and how many the new DPC, otherwise your observation is flawed.

Fair enough, but that works both ways. If you think this is an issue, we'll need more examples of it with the new DPC.

DE cuts quicker in the 1st replay. He goes underneath the OT. In the replay from last season, DE went too far up field. He got chip blocked on way to QB.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1521168&pbp_id=1392156 - same play. DE gets to the OT too fast to go underneath and gets held up. That's new DPC.

Originally posted by TruthHammer
Fair enough, but that works both ways. If you think this is an issue, we'll need more examples of it with the new DPC.

Providing more examples is going to be a bit of an issue with so few people changing over to the new DPC. Then if they aren't doing something obvious like stacking on the center or LB blitzing right off the O line, how do you know it's the New or Old DPC. Much more efficient to set up a quick test. To do otherwise would allow a possible bug to exist for possibly most or all of the season. Of course Bort doesn't really need to test it, he knows what the code does and would know instantly if he forgot to put the "governor" effect on the DE.

Originally posted by Dr. E
Providing more examples is going to be a bit of an issue with so few people changing over to the new DPC. Then if they aren't doing something obvious like stacking on the center or LB blitzing right off the O line, how do you know it's the New or Old DPC. Much more efficient to set up a quick test. To do otherwise would allow a possible bug to exist for possibly most or all of the season. Of course Bort doesn't really need to test it, he knows what the code does and would know instantly if he forgot to put the "governor" effect on the DE.

Rage Kinard already provided us with an example of a chip block working with the new DPC: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1521168&pbp_id=1392156

I also disagree that "so few people" are using the new DPC. We've already gotten a number of issues with the new DPC caught and corrected here. If this is an issue, especially given the strength of screen passes in last season's sim, we're going to hear about it.

Originally posted by TruthHammer
Rage Kinard already provided us with an example of a chip block working with the new DPC: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1521168&pbp_id=1392156

I also disagree that "so few people" are using the new DPC. We've already gotten a number of issues with the new DPC caught and corrected here. If this is an issue, especially given the strength of screen passes in last season's sim, we're going to hear about it.


The D play he shows is a different formation so the blocking rules codded in will be different. Stop looking for why it's anything and look at the facts available. The issue here isn't the QB being sacked or the play not working. The issue is the DE doesn't have the Governor effect.

Originally posted by Dr. E

The D play he shows is a different formation so the blocking rules codded in will be different. Stop looking for why it's anything and look at the facts available. The issue here isn't the QB being sacked or the play not working. The issue is the DE doesn't have the Governor effect.



Again, it's not a "governor". It's a chip block. And there's at least a vision check by the blocker involved. Not sure what other factors as well. Either way, you're not guaranteed to get it every time the screen is run. If the offensive player is never chip blocking in the new sim, we'd have an issue. But Rage's link shows that they will.

If there was a governor effect, then that would be a bug.

From duplicate thread:
Originally posted by Khager24
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1567094&pbp_id=2322894

A little chip would be nice
Originally posted by Khager24
Issue: A FB screen is called by the offense. The rushing RDE runs right through the LOT without any "Chip blocking" giving clear path the QB. Another issue is the guard does not take the path that the offense playbook has designed. (see playbook) The play is designed to have the LG pull parallel to the LOS and it appears he blocks down instead. A correct pull by the LG as the play is designed in the offensive playbook should have resulted in at least the RDE slowing down as well by the LG. I realize this is a screen and is designed to let defenders by to set it up but the blockers need to at least slow him down.

Replays: You have one and I don't have time to go digging, watching games to find more at the moment. I'm too busy working on correcting the defense with the new DPC and all of the bugs that are currently in it such as the MLB not covering anyone out of the backfield correctly. And since a DC can't carry his playbook with him and he has to make the same changes over and over to each team they try to help, there is no time. If it happens in another game I'm affiliated with I'll gladly post those replays here.

Screenshots: Refer to play above and the current offensive playbook of GLB

Tester Results: NA

Relevant Links: LOT http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1362169
LG http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1362194


Setting and Build Information: Tactic setting shouldn't matter, they should run the play as designed. LOT build and LG build I'd prefer not to disclose but have good agility, solid speed, good vision and LOT has plenty in protector SA

Computer and browser info: irrelevant

Allow Temporary Access: Up to owner of team

Originally posted by TruthHammer
From duplicate thread:
Originally posted by Khager24

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1567094&pbp_id=2322894

A little chip would be nice
Originally posted by Khager24

Issue: A FB screen is called by the offense. The rushing RDE runs right through the LOT without any "Chip blocking" giving clear path the QB. Another issue is the guard does not take the path that the offense playbook has designed. (see playbook) The play is designed to have the LG pull parallel to the LOS and it appears he blocks down instead. A correct pull by the LG as the play is designed in the offensive playbook should have resulted in at least the RDE slowing down as well by the LG. I realize this is a screen and is designed to let defenders by to set it up but the blockers need to at least slow him down.

Replays: You have one and I don't have time to go digging, watching games to find more at the moment. I'm too busy working on correcting the defense with the new DPC and all of the bugs that are currently in it such as the MLB not covering anyone out of the backfield correctly. And since a DC can't carry his playbook with him and he has to make the same changes over and over to each team they try to help, there is no time. If it happens in another game I'm affiliated with I'll gladly post those replays here.

Screenshots: Refer to play above and the current offensive playbook of GLB

Tester Results: NA

Relevant Links: LOT http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1362169
LG http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1362194


Setting and Build Information: Tactic setting shouldn't matter, they should run the play as designed. LOT build and LG build I'd prefer not to disclose but have good agility, solid speed, good vision and LOT has plenty in protector SA

Computer and browser info: irrelevant

Allow Temporary Access: Up to owner of team



Is somebody wanting access to my team?

Originally posted by Dr. E
Is somebody wanting access to my team?

That was post I made with same exact issue in a different thread which was moved here. I was letting bugs mods know to contact team owner from my example if theyw ant access. Glad we both have examples of this one.

Originally posted by Dr. E
Is somebody wanting access to my team?

Originally posted by Khager24
I was letting bugs mods know to contact team owner from my example if theyw ant access.

I don't think so, since it's not an AI issue.

Moving the thread per the Procedures.