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CB with the Returner Archtype?

HB with Returner archtype?

hb with elustive archtype?

thoughts?

HB is probably the best due to the .5 ALGs, so long as you stay away from the returner AT.

FB with rusher archetype and spin as the extra SA.

You just have to build in a different way than with the others because speed isn't a major.

Agility to 78
Carrying to 68 or 73
Strength to 61
Speed to 81 or 83 and then keep training until it hits 90.
Vision to 68

Get bonus to quick cut and spin is cheaper than for a HB, plus it will cost you a lot less in flex.

Elusive HB, better SA's and ALG's. All ALG's are return relevant, nothing wasted like blocking on a FB or jumping/catching/tackling on a CB. Return Specialist as the extra SA.

Originally posted by Mysterio
Elusive HB, better SA's and ALG's. All ALG's are return relevant, nothing wasted like blocking on a FB or jumping/catching/tackling on a CB. Return Specialist as the extra SA.

catching is a minor for elusive HB

Elusive HB would be a better fake returner, but not a spin/break tackle returner,

FB can have spin as first additional SA. Quick Cut and Power through are the bonus SAs and are in the same tree with cover up. You aren't going to worry about fake because you go with 2 pieces of break tackle %, quick feet, and slippery all stack.

Elusive back gets head fake and juke as bonus SAs. They don't work well with spin because you want +fake % instead of + break tackle % for head fake and juke. Also slippery doesn't help because those are not break tackle SAs.

The FB should probably end up with about 5 less pts of speed if both are built correctly, but the overall build on the FB should end up better.

Elusive HB with 100 carrying, 10 Cover Up, two Not Fumble % pieces. Everything else goes to getting him fast. Don't worry about breaking tackles, just get 30 yards and hold on to the ball.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
FB with rusher archetype and spin as the extra SA.

You just have to build in a different way than with the others because speed isn't a major.

Agility to 78
Carrying to 68 or 73
Strength to 61
Speed to 81 or 83 and then keep training until it hits 90.
Vision to 68

Get bonus to quick cut and spin is cheaper than for a HB, plus it will cost you a lot less in flex.

This is a good option as well if you want to save flex and are willing to expand your original list.

Maybe a silly question....but does the Return Specialist SA work on HB returners? Or just CB? The description isn't very clear.

it works for HB returners as well.

FB has been the best for me.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Elusive HB with 100 carrying, 10 Cover Up, two Not Fumble % pieces. Everything else goes to getting him fast. Don't worry about breaking tackles, just get 30 yards and hold on to the ball.



Well played.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
catching is a minor for elusive HB

Elusive HB would be a better fake returner, but not a spin/break tackle returner,

FB can have spin as first additional SA. Quick Cut and Power through are the bonus SAs and are in the same tree with cover up. You aren't going to worry about fake because you go with 2 pieces of break tackle %, quick feet, and slippery all stack.

Elusive back gets head fake and juke as bonus SAs. They don't work well with spin because you want +fake % instead of + break tackle % for head fake and juke. Also slippery doesn't help because those are not break tackle SAs.

The FB should probably end up with about 5 less pts of speed if both are built correctly, but the overall build on the FB should end up better.

You recommend putting a break tackle type player on 51% elusiveness to utilize slippery? I have thought about this some, but I thought SA's like Stiff Arm, Power Thru, etc would fire more frequently if the slider was on the other side of that line, closer to 100 though. I was initially going to get slipper and be at 51 elusiveness with my WR, but I honestly have no idea which would be more beneficial with regards to SA's firing and/or higher break tackle effectiveness

Originally posted by TheGreatAus
You recommend putting a break tackle type player on 51% elusiveness to utilize slippery? I have thought about this some, but I thought SA's like Stiff Arm, Power Thru, etc would fire more frequently if the slider was on the other side of that line, closer to 100 though. I was initially going to get slipper and be at 51 elusiveness with my WR, but I honestly have no idea which would be more beneficial with regards to SA's firing and/or higher break tackle effectiveness

the only SA that is effected by the slider setting is spin, and it is not effected on returns. so, they will only fire more in the sense that you are purposely trying to run into people. momentum might also be bit different between the two (since you will be making more cuts on elusive), and so there might be a small different in break tackle score in that regard... but the difference would probably be minimal since you would still be running fairly fast on elusive settings as well... and slippery probably far off sets any brk tkl score discrepancies between power running and elusive running on returns.

Originally posted by TheGreatAus
You recommend putting a break tackle type player on 51% elusiveness to utilize slippery?

If it is a spin player yes.

IMO - a spin/quick cut back is nothing like a typical power/break tackle back or a typical elusive back with fake SAs.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
If it is a spin player yes.

IMO - a spin/quick cut back is nothing like a typical power/break tackle back or a typical elusive back with fake SAs.

What about if you just want to take advantage of 30% break tackle? Thats pretty hard to rule out since it's well, a lot. Couple that with other break tackle equipment and its feasibly a power back on 51% elusiveness is at 70% extra break tackle. But thats what I dont know...is there a big difference from 50% elusiveness to 90+% power running? (that is, if you were to compare 51% elusiveness WITH 15 in slippery)