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I still question why this is even necessary, or what it would accomplish.


#1) As Catch himself admitted, there is not any blitz or alignment in the game that consistently works against offenses that keep the TE in to block. In S17 there were "exploit blitzes," but Bort's inside-out coding change worked. If you keep the TE in to block, then the QB always has time to throw. Always. And "but I don't want to keep the TE in" is just whining. I don't want to have to blitz either, but sitting back in coverage just means more of my defenders look like idiots when they get pump faked into the bleachers.


#2) Scores and offensive production are insane, but handicapping defenses even further is actually a priority? In what world does that make any sense? If defenses were dominating, and nano-blitzes were resulting in 10-3 scores, then I could understand the need for change. That isn't happening. People pay for defensive dots too, you know.

Originally posted by secondeye
This is actually a great suggestion. Having a limited OPC, which only pertains to protection schemes would not greatly overpower an offense. You could easily counter any exploit you find. It might make the offenses even a little better, but the additional perks of being able to use an OPC would at least counter the loss or limitation of the DPC from a business and entertainment standpoint.

+1

Add the freaking OPC. Ever heard of the Sword and the Shield analogy? Simplified... Defense finds an advantage, Offense finds a counter advantage.

For every blitz there is a draw play, for every draw play there is an inside zone, for every inside zone there is a fly pattern. Give us the tools and we will solve our own problems.

Just make the O-Line logic reasonably NOT STUPID and we can do the rest. You already have some good stuff, I've seen a center run all the way outside to take a blitz from a SS on the outside. Well done!

Now let me create offensive plays to exploit what the defense is doing. What's broken here is NOT the DPC. It's the lack of an OPC.

Originally posted by charwh
Player movement should be limited for anyone set to blitz, or who could blitz based on coverage assignments. Otherwise I see a lot of Blitzing CB's and Coverage OLB's in the future.



Right, because how else would you run for 500 yards a game using Strong Sweep or pitch, right?

As if vacating the middle of the field isn't already a weakness you could counter-exploit.

That's the whole thing I don't get.. It's like sending safeties to blitz on the outside to stop a sweep is considered an exploit that is impossible to stop. But funny..when people do it to me.. I just pound the ball inside on their 3 DL 2 LB front for 7 yards a carry..

Oh but that's right.. I actually change my schemes game to game.. How silly of me to expect anyone else to do the same.

Quit turning this into a OPC thread. It's not happening.

Originally posted by tuba_samurai
Please just remove it and save us all all lot of headache.

agreed. Remove the DPC.

10 people whining is not a reason to not make a change that benefits everybody in the long run.

I approve of this message !

I hope this saves the DPC, and also that Bort and Co. look to add many more Offensive plays as well. These 2 changes should help the game tremendously IMO.

How about a limited OPC and limited DPC?

Originally posted by Catch22
Quit turning this into a OPC thread. It's not happening.

I think if we want to keep this civil and constructive, it would also help not to lash out at people's suggestions in a rude manner.

Originally posted by Catch22
Where the DL and LB'ers can start the play. We'll also probably adjust boundaries of the box secondary players are allowed to be in further out.

I wouldn't even think the restriction would even have to be that big to fix the issue. Just a little bit would give the O-linemen more of a chance to get in position and that's all that's asked for tbh. They will still get beat on blocks and blitzes, but at least they would have a chance to attempt something.

Originally posted by secondeye
I think if we want to keep this civil and constructive, it would also help not to lash out at people's suggestions in a rude manner.

Well, he's said as much about 20 times today already. I would love it too, but its NGTH. Asking over and over and over isn't gonna change that.

if they could implement decent football logic, an OPC wouldn't be a problem.

I think now might be a good time to try out quickhit football.

Originally posted by Ubasstards
agreed. Remove the DPC.

10 people whining is not a reason to not make a change that benefits everybody in the long run.

The irony..

Originally posted by LordEvil
So quit throwing them, scout a defense and find better pass plays, sounds logical to me.

Lol. Okay.

I don't throw them, btw. I hold my TE back, which is why my offense has given up the 3rd fewest sacks in Alpha World League this season.

Originally posted by KCChiefsMan
if they could implement decent football logic, an OPC wouldn't be a problem.

I think now might be a good time to try out quickhit football.

quickhit is hot garbage, go try it and you'll be back to buy more flex

Originally posted by Ubasstards
agreed. Remove the DPC.

10 people whining is not a reason to not make a change that benefits everybody in the long run.

There's a lot of us who don't want to see the DPC go away, it's just that some people don't see the point in :rage: over a change that hasn't even happened yet.

I think Admin trying to fix it before abandoning the idea completely is the right move.