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VolBrian
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Originally posted by Mstr_October
I'd like to see that too, but we don't have it. My point is simply that blitzing is not an exploit. It can be countered. I would love to have all those things, but none of that has to do with taking away the DPC.


Sure they do. They could be considered alternatives to removing the DPC.

Originally posted by Mstr_October

If I was a DC and I was playing a team that passed to their TE every play and I thought to myself, self don't guard the TE at all, and the opposing team scores 350 points from passes to their TE, is that an exploit? Should stop allowing TEs to catch the ball or be a part of any play? No. Of course not.


No, but you can currently man him up with any LB, CB, or S you want or do a zone or whatever. OC's currently have one option and one option only to counter these blitzes.
 
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So much for leaving Beta any time soon....right?
 
Black Peter
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Originally posted by Deathblade
but yeah...the old AI did have a lot of problems.

As already mentioned itt, the only way to cover the HB being with the MLB and FB with ROLB is going to create so many easy gains


I bet you can't wait to "test" all this too? I feel sorry for all you testers!
 
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Worst decision this game has ever made.
 
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Genie1
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Originally posted by VolBrian
Is the TE held every time a team blitzes a LB irl? That's all I'm saying. If a QB could audible a WR into a slant, awesome, throw the ball quick instead of waiting until the drop is finished and progressions start, great. There are a number of different ways that you can beat a LB, SS, CB, etc blitz without having to hold the TE in, just none currently available. So, defenses can currently create whatever play they want, blitz more people than blockers, and effectively reduce the OC's playbook by 3 formations in SG, SG5WR, and SB. The ones that pass the most of course.


Do they remove coaches ability to create plays because they don't want to have a blocking TE irl?That's all I'm saying.
I'm not arguing that there needs to be more options to fight it. I'm simply saying that removing DPC, or blaming it on TE's wanting to run routes instead of do their jobs and block is just dumb to me.

I utilize blocking TE's. 1 strong, 1 fast. If I see that their defense is not a blitzing defense, I will try to use this to my advantage and send my fast TE on a route. I have 0 problem with this as an owner and an OC. It's what I've done in football my entire life, however.

 
VolBrian
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Originally posted by Genie1
Do they remove coaches ability to create plays because they don't want to have a blocking TE irl?That's all I'm saying.


lol, then we're basically talking about the same thing. I'm presenting options to removing the DPC. You are as well, just different ones.
 
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Originally posted by Dpride59
10-15 turn over games is what causes these scores, I guess since you don't have any wl dots you don't really know how glb is played


Statements like this make me glad I dont have any world league players.
 
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This has to be the worst idea ever presented by the staff here. There have been options posted in the past regarding better tactics for offensive linemen but because they aren't even looked at, your "solution" is to remove one of the best additions to the game? For those who respond with a blanket response of being a good idea, how many of them are competent DCs? The private forums dedicated to DCs have been doing their best over the past several seasons to try and teach more players to manage that side of the ball. Many of the past DCs who have been acknowledged as very good have lost their passion for the job due to offenses being overpowered and the sim's constant changes. But many who remain in the role do so because of DPC. To take that away would further drive away folks needed to help make teams competitive.

I haven't read the 68 pages of posts prior to this one but just looking at the scoring fiestas that are the majority of the leagues should reveal quite plainly that nerfing defense isn't going to solve anything. Defenses as a whole are still behind the 8-ball in most cases. Blitzing more people than the offense has blockers isn't an exploit, its a strategy that can backfire. The exploits that do exist should be dealt with via the sim. Removing DPC is like chopping off your head to spite your nose. DPC isn't the issue, the lack of cognitive AI for the offensive line is and has been for a while. Even saying that, several competitive teams will likely state they aren't having a problem based on the fact they are still scoring and league champs aren't finishing the season scoring 13 points a game.
 
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Originally posted by bug03
To be fair, you don't have much to stand on. Offense is completely overpowered and has been for a long time. Shutting down the dpc is idiotic and buffing offense would just SUCK


Did you even read what I wrote?
 
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Where is all the bitching from the OC's coming from? I know i'm in a couple OC forums and no-one is bitching about exploits to blitzes. I don't see any suggested threads (until today) to fix blocking schemes. Granted i'm not a OC/DC in any upper leagues anymore or have any dots there, but if that's the ONLY place that is having the probs, then there needs to be something fixed there, not GLB-wide
 
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i'm glad to see that they're already backtracking on day one.

this is pretty much the last aspect of glb that i enjoy.
 
Black Peter
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Originally posted by Sprocket
Statements like this make me glad I dont have any world league players.


Not to get on a tangent, but he just doesn't believe in loyalty to a team so if dots can play in WL but decide to stay with their Pro league team instead, he feels like a "big man" belittling us "little" people. He's just one of the most arrogant people I've ever encountered on the internet. Kind of funny as his RL must be really hurting cause he'd be on his ass every-time he opened his mouth.

Originally posted by VolBrian
lol, then we're basically talking about the same thing. I'm presenting options to removing the DPC. You are as well, just different ones.


Back on topic, I am glad they edited the announcement and hopefully leave the DPC and just add restrictions as needed to certain parts of it. Of course, I don't have a clue because I don't have a lolDot in WL! (Hi Dprude)
 
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Originally posted by Toriq
I bet you can't wait to "test" all this too? I feel sorry for all you testers!


im actually wanted the "new plays" to just be coverage schemes...you dont even need a lot of them

let users select the coverage scheme from a list, and position players based on the advanced AI
 
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Originally posted by centurain
Did you even read what I wrote?


Yes... I did read what you wrote. I disagree with it because buffing the offense does NOTHING to fix why they are killing the dpc... The reason DC's have to go to such ridiculous measures to stop offenses is because they can throw the ball into triple coverage with overwhelming success.

 
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