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I was thinking cap speed at 78 while training agility and get that to about 68 but then after that I don't know where I should go with him. Please help me.

Vision after.

Originally posted by Underdawg08
Vision after.

Def vision as your third. I would even take agility up to 73 myself and let it go from there. With normal gains it should end around 80ish for you.

I had a coverage lb when I was pretty new to the game, he wasn't a great build by far, but I did mostly speed and agi first, and then when i put vision and jumping on him he really started to go off. vision is great.

unlock multi-training for agility, vision, and (depending on what you want strength, jumping, or tackling)

enhance the attributes you unlock to 10%, then 20% in order.

Then multi-train those 3 with the other 2 while taking speed to 68.

After you get speed to 68, start training the 3 you selected with speed. Make sure speed is at least enhanced +20%, but preferably get the +30% enhancement.

Take speed to whatever cap you want, and then continue the 4-way multi train with speed until speed hits 90, while circle capping agility and vision.

Once speed hits 90, then keep 4 way training rotating the other attributes you train with the 3 you unlocked.

I would take agility to 73 or 77 and vision to at least 68.

I don't think I'd multi train agility, imo you're better off normal training your first two attributes, you'll have more BTs and you'll be able to train them more. I'd start multi training after agility is soft capped, you wouldn't have to unlock it. So vision, tackling, and strength probably would be the first I'd unlock.

Rage did you do any sort of analysis to compare unlocking 30% versus converting BT to SP?

There's absolutely no reason a LB can't take speed, agility, and vision all to 74. If you want to take speed to 77 or higher, let something other than agility or vision suffer.

Originally posted by Darren McFadden
I don't think I'd multi train agility, imo you're better off normal training your first two attributes, you'll have more BTs and you'll be able to train them more. I'd start multi training after agility is soft capped, you wouldn't have to unlock it. So vision, tackling, and strength probably would be the first I'd unlock.

Rage did you do any sort of analysis to compare unlocking 30% versus converting BT to SP?

There's absolutely no reason a LB can't take speed, agility, and vision all to 74. If you want to take speed to 77 or higher, let something other than agility or vision suffer.

Using quad training, I can end up with a blitzing LB that has the following bases

99+ speed
85+ agility
85+ vision
76+ strength
72+ tackling
68+ stamina
55+ confidence
2 bonus SAs to 10 each (I wouldn't use the trees for a blitzing LB)
2 fully upgraded AEQ (so speed would end up at 151+ with equipment- that's only 2 pieces. If I get lucky shopping then 154+ with 3 pieces)

That is with BT left and a few left over sp that I could use to add a 3rd additional SA and get it to at least 5.

And that is a conservative estimate, because I'm using a LB I already created and did some ineffective training and BT use on, plus the training %s for quad training in builder are incorrect at higher levels. They give a lower % than you actually get when training.

Coverage LB

I think vision is way overrated.

speed is your best friend. it fixes LOTS of problems. take speed to 78 cap (i've been known to take this as high as 90 base). then take agility to 75 or so... and it will roll to 78-80 which is just about right. you may later want more agility to break blocks but it won't help you acceleration wise.

oh and load up on first step to 8+.

if you have 130+ speed, 80 agility, and 10 first step... you'll make plays with 30 vision. to me higher vision is to stop the fakes, jukes, spins, pump fakes, etc. you will read plays fine and cover your man just fine. way down the road like level 50+... higher vision will help you but you don't need to worry about it for a long time.

my LB's play with super low vision... like 60 max. I love higher vision on my FS who is an absolute ballhawk... but LB's aren't gonna play like a FS.... they are heavier and just don't react as well in general.

Originally posted by maddoggy71
LB's aren't gonna play like a FS.... they are heavier and just don't react as well in general.

I think Justin Durant Jr disproved that claim pretty emphatically.

Originally posted by Darren McFadden
Originally posted by maddoggy71

LB's aren't gonna play like a FS.... they are heavier and just don't react as well in general.

I think Justin Durant Jr disproved that claim pretty emphatically.

who is that? my TE needs a challenge... cause nobody can cover him. I sent a scrim to your LB's team... let's see how he does against our RB's and TE.

Originally posted by maddoggy71
I think vision is way overrated.

my LB's play with super low vision... like 60 max. I love higher vision on my FS who is an absolute ballhawk... but LB's aren't gonna play like a FS.... they are heavier and just don't react as well in general.

Vision isn't overrated, it just reaches a point of diminishing returns. However, vision has to be much higher than 60 to reach the point of diminishing returns, imo.

Originally posted by idm03
Vision isn't overrated, it just reaches a point of diminishing returns. However, vision has to be much higher than 60 to reach the point of diminishing returns, imo.


I think it is position dependent as well.

DL/MLB - after 70 reaches diminishing returns.
OLB - after 80 diminishing returns (pass rusher may fit into 70 as well)
DB - after 85 diminishing returns

Originally posted by Darren McFadden


Rage did you do any sort of analysis to compare unlocking 30% versus converting BT to SP?



I just found out with 30% enhancements and quad training you still get 7% per train at 90 base. So it makes me like the 30% even more for attributes I plan on training above 80.

to me the misconception is seeing your LB hesitate and thinking more vision will help... imo most of the delays will happen regardless of vision.

try building one with lower vision and see how he plays. you might be surprised. plus it's one thing you really don't need most of your career... you can cap it add to it near the end.