Warrior General Games

Ok, Underdawg is clearly posting bad info. Listen to jdbolick.

Did we ever get an answer if 50 speed is the same speed for a 350 pound nt and a 190 pound wr?

Originally posted by sebber77
Did we ever get an answer if 50 speed is the same speed for a 350 pound nt and a 190 pound wr?

it isnt. height and especially weight are factors in speed. all things being equal, the receiver will be quite a bit faster and quicker than the nose tackle.

Originally posted by sebber77
Did we ever get an answer if 50 speed is the same speed for a 350 pound nt and a 190 pound wr?
It isn't, but I'm not sure how exactly weight and/or position affects top speed. I did one experiment where I built a 220lb HB and 197lb HB in exactly the same way, and they always had exactly the same maximums on the speed script for each level, although it's possible that weight was affecting acceleration since it's more difficult to compare that and come to any solid conclusions. There was also a question season before last about whether or not CBs were innately faster than HBs, so I built one of each at 180 pounds with exactly the same amounts in speed, agility, and stamina. Those two also had identical maximums per level.

So as far as I can tell, top speed is not significantly affected by changes in weight of ~25 pound increments or so, and nor are similar weight positions intrinsically different in maximum speed. Now we do know that a 100 speed DE will run slower than a 100 speed HB on the speed script, so there is a difference there, it's just hard to tell exactly the nature of that difference. Maybe certain positions like DE, DT, and OL are coded to be slower, or maybe it's calculated by large weight groups (for instance: 180-220, 221-250, 251-280, 281-330). I don't know and haven't gotten around to running any tests that could reveal exactly how it's handled.

Originally posted by jdbolick

It isn't, but I'm not sure how exactly weight and/or position affects top speed. I did one experiment where I built a 220lb HB and 197lb HB in exactly the same way, and they always had exactly the same maximums on the speed script for each level, although it's possible that weight was affecting acceleration since it's more difficult to compare that and come to any solid conclusions. There was also a question season before last about whether or not CBs were innately faster than HBs, so I built one of each at 180 pounds with exactly the same amounts in speed, agility, and stamina. Those two also had identical maximums per level.

So as far as I can tell, top speed is not significantly affected by changes in weight of ~25 pound increments or so, and nor are similar weight positions intrinsically different in maximum speed. Now we do know that a 100 speed DE will run slower than a 100 speed HB on the speed script, so there is a difference there, it's just hard to tell exactly the nature of that difference. Maybe certain positions like DE, DT, and OL are coded to be slower, or maybe it's calculated by large weight groups (for instance: 180-220, 221-250, 251-280, 281-330). I don't know and haven't gotten around to running any tests that could reveal exactly how it's handled.

I think bort stated there are weight thresholds, and within a certain weight group the speed is affected equally... Something like say 150-180 pounds multiplied by X, 180-210 multiplied by Y where X>Y, etc etc etc.

Originally posted by Hagalaz
I think bort stated there are weight thresholds, and within a certain weight group the speed is affected equally... Something like say 150-180 pounds multiplied by X, 180-210 multiplied by Y where X>Y, etc etc etc.
I have not seen that, but it's what I've speculated for a long time. If you have a link, that would be great.

Originally posted by Nuge20
Ok, Underdawg is clearly posting bad info. Listen to jdbolick.


Meh, the whole argument is flawed, tbh. All I am reading is acceleration, acceleration, acceleration... If every receiver runs streaks every pass play than this argument makes sense. If not, it's just arguing about one aspect of the speed to agility ratio.

I had no idea that speed factored acceleration..

Originally posted by adrianpeterson69
I had no idea that speed factored acceleration..

Yep


speed + agility = acceleration

read the section on agility of the player attribute page on wiki.

http://www.glbwiki.com/index.php?title=Player_Attributes

if you dont want to, here is the pertinent section:

Agility

* How fast your player can adjust their movement. If you want to dodge a tackle or head past a blocker you'll want high agility. Important for any player who needs to turn quickly...Lineman as well as speedsters. Agility also determines acceleration. You can have all the speed in the world, but without agility, you won't ever reach that top speed.

the bottom of the page says 'last modified 16 November 2009'.

Originally posted by ricksta1975
Originally posted by Underdawg08

dumb

says the guy who's retired every guy he's had mostly well before lvl 55.

+1