Where is everyone? No more Yokels? No more SSB whining? No more post reporting? No more Sharpie?
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Potential Factors:
(1) forums have been gradually dying from season to season;
(2) the usual mid-season lull has begun to set in earlier with each passing season;
(3) Bort and Catch22 have lost their minds with the new changes, and there is a much greater degree of apathy;
Feel free to add your own, it could be a group project...
(1) forums have been gradually dying from season to season;
(2) the usual mid-season lull has begun to set in earlier with each passing season;
(3) Bort and Catch22 have lost their minds with the new changes, and there is a much greater degree of apathy;
Feel free to add your own, it could be a group project...
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Originally posted by lbrlove
(3) Bort and Catch22 have lost their minds with the new changes, and there is a much greater degree of apathy;
This - I fall in your category #3
who has time for a league forum when you have to figure out whether we'll be buying the team massage room or having 2 bobblehead nights next season
or maybe everyone is busy reviewing their old high school calculus books to figure out if you should convert 3x bonus tokens to unlock tri-attribute training or rather save them to get super-high intense training levels or using all the resource units to pad your morale reserve...
yeah... not a fan
(3) Bort and Catch22 have lost their minds with the new changes, and there is a much greater degree of apathy;
This - I fall in your category #3
who has time for a league forum when you have to figure out whether we'll be buying the team massage room or having 2 bobblehead nights next season
or maybe everyone is busy reviewing their old high school calculus books to figure out if you should convert 3x bonus tokens to unlock tri-attribute training or rather save them to get super-high intense training levels or using all the resource units to pad your morale reserve...
yeah... not a fan
Edited by Ryiotgear on Apr 24, 2010 09:37:03
ya I've been busy trying to get my head around these changes and fixing problems on other teams etc
not that I ever really cruised the forums much
not that I ever really cruised the forums much
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You had better watch out, Ryiot, I am building an SSB dance team and they can kick your cheerleaders' asses. Except on "Free Beer Night", when they get sauced.
Do you get the impression the game is going from an American Football Simulation to an American football simulation?
Do you get the impression the game is going from an American Football Simulation to an American football simulation?
Edited by lbrlove on Apr 24, 2010 10:43:04
I've decided it's all just random crap thrown in to try and force balanced builds and discourage super rosters
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Originally posted by lbrlove
Do you get the impression the game is going from an American Football Simulation to an American football simulation?
tbh, I'm not really sure what I think besides the administration is a little out of touch with what their customers want and the types of issues within the game people are having troubles with.
I mean we get coaches which are just a flex grab (which the costs will likely be shouldered by owners/primary GMs), we get a more complex financial system which no one cares about, and we get a linear algebra course... I mean a new training system. Frankly I just see a lot of added time, complexity, and flex cost here without much fun being added - just another layer of stuff impacting the sim.
I really wish they'd give something back to us to make GLB a little less burdensome to owners/GMs. The AI and gameplanning user interfaces are a joke and have been since season 3. I mean copy & paste, click & drag, etc etc, why can't we even get basic user interface stuff here? They need to fix that scouting tool too - it is okay, but would be a lot more helpful if it was 100% accurate instead of 80% accurate. They need to integrate it with the actual pbp too - get some direct links to pbp so it is more like the monsterkill script.
I mean, there are 1000s of little things GLB could do that are 100% non-controversial that everyone and their mother would be all for and would make everyone's lives easier, but instead we get a load of nonsense bells & whistles coming out of right-field.
I don't think Bort realizes that to a large extent the beauty of his game was in its simplicity. People like to build dots, see them run around, match wits on the strategy side, and enjoy the overall competition. Heck.. this game had its larger growth in the first several seasons where it was 100x less complex than it is now.
I don't know... I've ranted on this in about a every thread possible the last few weeks and so have tons of other respected agents, but it is all for naught. We just need to turn around, bend over, and accept what is coming
Do you get the impression the game is going from an American Football Simulation to an American football simulation?
tbh, I'm not really sure what I think besides the administration is a little out of touch with what their customers want and the types of issues within the game people are having troubles with.
I mean we get coaches which are just a flex grab (which the costs will likely be shouldered by owners/primary GMs), we get a more complex financial system which no one cares about, and we get a linear algebra course... I mean a new training system. Frankly I just see a lot of added time, complexity, and flex cost here without much fun being added - just another layer of stuff impacting the sim.
I really wish they'd give something back to us to make GLB a little less burdensome to owners/GMs. The AI and gameplanning user interfaces are a joke and have been since season 3. I mean copy & paste, click & drag, etc etc, why can't we even get basic user interface stuff here? They need to fix that scouting tool too - it is okay, but would be a lot more helpful if it was 100% accurate instead of 80% accurate. They need to integrate it with the actual pbp too - get some direct links to pbp so it is more like the monsterkill script.
I mean, there are 1000s of little things GLB could do that are 100% non-controversial that everyone and their mother would be all for and would make everyone's lives easier, but instead we get a load of nonsense bells & whistles coming out of right-field.
I don't think Bort realizes that to a large extent the beauty of his game was in its simplicity. People like to build dots, see them run around, match wits on the strategy side, and enjoy the overall competition. Heck.. this game had its larger growth in the first several seasons where it was 100x less complex than it is now.
I don't know... I've ranted on this in about a every thread possible the last few weeks and so have tons of other respected agents, but it is all for naught. We just need to turn around, bend over, and accept what is coming
Edited by Ryiotgear on Apr 24, 2010 12:14:24
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Well said, I have voiced similar complaints. I find it impossible to believe that the majority want the coming changes, but rather a cadre of well-connected elites do, and most have never held a post higher than lolgm.
I understand coaches, I really do. These guys need to monetize the DB usage for retired players, and this gives them a few bucks to cover, got it. As Ryiot says, that just means owners/co-owners fork over an extra few bucks to remain competitive.
Absolutely agree on the UIs. I have all but begged for a DPC play sort feature for instance, preferably sortable by multiple fields. That would be a huge time saver for me. The sound of crickets. But they will build a white elephant of a training interface, no problems. Coordinators are very hard to find right now, so making the time commitment easier on them seems like a good place to expend minimal effort for a good in-game return.
Even if they are going to go the route of adding complexity, they need to provide the means of effectively managing it. Not doing so slowly creates an insurmountable learning curve for the people they hope will be replacing the rage-quitters and sufferers of GLB ennui. But they are out of touch with what the game might look like to a football fan who comes in late, and consequently it will be a bit overwhelming.
The biggest problem with the uproar is that it seems to have made the powers-that-be defensive rather than responsive. They are digging their trenches and laying down the law. I believe this season will be the biggest contraction of the game yet relative to its total size, and they can only hope that their gamble pays out. We'll see, I guess, at least those of us who stick around.
I understand coaches, I really do. These guys need to monetize the DB usage for retired players, and this gives them a few bucks to cover, got it. As Ryiot says, that just means owners/co-owners fork over an extra few bucks to remain competitive.
Absolutely agree on the UIs. I have all but begged for a DPC play sort feature for instance, preferably sortable by multiple fields. That would be a huge time saver for me. The sound of crickets. But they will build a white elephant of a training interface, no problems. Coordinators are very hard to find right now, so making the time commitment easier on them seems like a good place to expend minimal effort for a good in-game return.
Even if they are going to go the route of adding complexity, they need to provide the means of effectively managing it. Not doing so slowly creates an insurmountable learning curve for the people they hope will be replacing the rage-quitters and sufferers of GLB ennui. But they are out of touch with what the game might look like to a football fan who comes in late, and consequently it will be a bit overwhelming.
The biggest problem with the uproar is that it seems to have made the powers-that-be defensive rather than responsive. They are digging their trenches and laying down the law. I believe this season will be the biggest contraction of the game yet relative to its total size, and they can only hope that their gamble pays out. We'll see, I guess, at least those of us who stick around.
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Originally posted by lbrlove
Even if they are going to go the route of adding complexity, they need to provide the means of effectively managing it. Not doing so slowly creates an insurmountable learning curve for the people they hope will be replacing the rage-quitters and sufferers of GLB ennui. But they are out of touch with what the game might look like to a football fan who comes in late, and consequently it will be a bit overwhelming.
Touche... As it stands right now this game has to send anyone new running for the hills and all the new complexities will only add to that. Does Bort not see the continued growth of a simple game like Fantasy Football? Heck, women, children, office leagues, school pools - FFB is huge. Why? Because everyone can understand it. You maybe do an hour of research to prep for a draft, spend another hour drafting, and then 30-60 mins per week taking care of lineups & other league stuff. Not that GLB should be that simple, but it shouldn't be heading in the opposite direction if they are trying to grow this game.
Originally posted by lbrlove
The biggest problem with the uproar is that it seems to have made the powers-that-be defensive rather than responsive. They are digging their trenches and laying down the law. I believe this season will be the biggest contraction of the game yet relative to its total size, and they can only hope that their gamble pays out.
Regardless of whether you love or hate the changes this is something that really worries me. I know Catch is a poker player and hope to god Bort has a little business sense in him, but this whole fiasco really makes me wonder if the understand the magnitude of this risk/reward decision they are dead set on.
At a sky-high level, will the new financial system, coaches, or the new training systems lead to increase in new user signup? No - in fact it could have the opposite impact by scaring folks away. Will any of these changes make existing agents reach into their pockets to buy some new flexies to reward Bort for a job well done? Not likely... in fact it seems there are a lot more agents looking to cut back in light of the complexity.
I just don't see any change here that is going to pad Bort's top-line revenue.
On the other side, the changes are obviously controversial. Some % of users are going to quit, scale back, or slowly fade from GLB as a result of this. How much revenue and potential revenue will Bort lose from these customers? It is tough to put a number to that, but what I do know is that is sure as hell higher than the $0 he'll bring in as a result of these changes.
If you just think about it, the people these changes are likely to drive away or force to scale back are Bort's most important customers. The ones building dozens of dots, the ones who own multiple teams, the ones who coordinate and keep teams successful & running smoothly. The owners/GMs are the ones who keep the "little guys" of GLB happy - the guy who builds 3 or 4 dots probably isn't rage quitting over the complexity, but when 2 of the 3 teams his dots play for go belly up because the owenrs/GMs running it are fed up it will definitely indirectly impact those agents.
I think your description of mgmt digging in on these decisions was accurate. It seems really close-minded. What kills me even more is that they are digging into the trenches on an obvious negative sum decision - it really makes me question what the heck they are thinking.
Even if they are going to go the route of adding complexity, they need to provide the means of effectively managing it. Not doing so slowly creates an insurmountable learning curve for the people they hope will be replacing the rage-quitters and sufferers of GLB ennui. But they are out of touch with what the game might look like to a football fan who comes in late, and consequently it will be a bit overwhelming.
Touche... As it stands right now this game has to send anyone new running for the hills and all the new complexities will only add to that. Does Bort not see the continued growth of a simple game like Fantasy Football? Heck, women, children, office leagues, school pools - FFB is huge. Why? Because everyone can understand it. You maybe do an hour of research to prep for a draft, spend another hour drafting, and then 30-60 mins per week taking care of lineups & other league stuff. Not that GLB should be that simple, but it shouldn't be heading in the opposite direction if they are trying to grow this game.
Originally posted by lbrlove
The biggest problem with the uproar is that it seems to have made the powers-that-be defensive rather than responsive. They are digging their trenches and laying down the law. I believe this season will be the biggest contraction of the game yet relative to its total size, and they can only hope that their gamble pays out.
Regardless of whether you love or hate the changes this is something that really worries me. I know Catch is a poker player and hope to god Bort has a little business sense in him, but this whole fiasco really makes me wonder if the understand the magnitude of this risk/reward decision they are dead set on.
At a sky-high level, will the new financial system, coaches, or the new training systems lead to increase in new user signup? No - in fact it could have the opposite impact by scaring folks away. Will any of these changes make existing agents reach into their pockets to buy some new flexies to reward Bort for a job well done? Not likely... in fact it seems there are a lot more agents looking to cut back in light of the complexity.
I just don't see any change here that is going to pad Bort's top-line revenue.
On the other side, the changes are obviously controversial. Some % of users are going to quit, scale back, or slowly fade from GLB as a result of this. How much revenue and potential revenue will Bort lose from these customers? It is tough to put a number to that, but what I do know is that is sure as hell higher than the $0 he'll bring in as a result of these changes.
If you just think about it, the people these changes are likely to drive away or force to scale back are Bort's most important customers. The ones building dozens of dots, the ones who own multiple teams, the ones who coordinate and keep teams successful & running smoothly. The owners/GMs are the ones who keep the "little guys" of GLB happy - the guy who builds 3 or 4 dots probably isn't rage quitting over the complexity, but when 2 of the 3 teams his dots play for go belly up because the owenrs/GMs running it are fed up it will definitely indirectly impact those agents.
I think your description of mgmt digging in on these decisions was accurate. It seems really close-minded. What kills me even more is that they are digging into the trenches on an obvious negative sum decision - it really makes me question what the heck they are thinking.
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gosh darn it lbr... now you really got me ranting 
I should be gameplanning for the Yokels!!!! , but I've fallen into your category #3 grouping of agents again
I'm going to run and hide from this thread now before I go off again
I should be gameplanning for the Yokels!!!! , but I've fallen into your category #3 grouping of agents again
I'm going to run and hide from this thread now before I go off again
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Originally posted by Ryiotgear
Regardless of whether you love or hate the changes this is something that really worries me. I know Catch is a poker player and hope to god Bort has a little business sense in him, but this whole fiasco really makes me wonder if the understand the magnitude of this risk/reward decision they are dead set on.
At a sky-high level, will the new financial system, coaches, or the new training systems lead to increase in new user signup? No - in fact it could have the opposite impact by scaring folks away. Will any of these changes make existing agents reach into their pockets to buy some new flexies to reward Bort for a job well done? Not likely... in fact it seems there are a lot more agents looking to cut back in light of the complexity.
I just don't see any change here that is going to pad Bort's top-line revenue.
On the other side, the changes are obviously controversial. Some % of users are going to quit, scale back, or slowly fade from GLB as a result of this. How much revenue and potential revenue will Bort lose from these customers? It is tough to put a number to that, but what I do know is that is sure as hell higher than the $0 he'll bring in as a result of these changes.
If you just think about it, the people these changes are likely to drive away or force to scale back are Bort's most important customers. The ones building dozens of dots, the ones who own multiple teams, the ones who coordinate and keep teams successful & running smoothly. The owners/GMs are the ones who keep the "little guys" of GLB happy - the guy who builds 3 or 4 dots probably isn't rage quitting over the complexity, but when 2 of the 3 teams his dots play for go belly up because the owenrs/GMs running it are fed up it will definitely indirectly impact those agents.
I think your description of mgmt digging in on these decisions was accurate. It seems really close-minded. What kills me even more is that they are digging into the trenches on an obvious negative sum decision - it really makes me question what the heck they are thinking.
I, for one, will be cutting back. I won't be spending all the cash on this game after this season. Killer Toad joked with me last season that I'd not be around because of something. Who cares what, but I have a strong team that is doing well and a ton of GLB cash that is going away next season. I started this team back in the day of not having any stadium what ever level you bought it at. I paid 400 flex season after season all the while counting pennies, not being able to fulfill players EQ because of starting with no stadium and gutting the team to CPU to get money and now after I finally have money to compete they're going to take it away. Bullshit! This game sucks..........And I've had this team sense season 7.......
Regardless of whether you love or hate the changes this is something that really worries me. I know Catch is a poker player and hope to god Bort has a little business sense in him, but this whole fiasco really makes me wonder if the understand the magnitude of this risk/reward decision they are dead set on.
At a sky-high level, will the new financial system, coaches, or the new training systems lead to increase in new user signup? No - in fact it could have the opposite impact by scaring folks away. Will any of these changes make existing agents reach into their pockets to buy some new flexies to reward Bort for a job well done? Not likely... in fact it seems there are a lot more agents looking to cut back in light of the complexity.
I just don't see any change here that is going to pad Bort's top-line revenue.
On the other side, the changes are obviously controversial. Some % of users are going to quit, scale back, or slowly fade from GLB as a result of this. How much revenue and potential revenue will Bort lose from these customers? It is tough to put a number to that, but what I do know is that is sure as hell higher than the $0 he'll bring in as a result of these changes.
If you just think about it, the people these changes are likely to drive away or force to scale back are Bort's most important customers. The ones building dozens of dots, the ones who own multiple teams, the ones who coordinate and keep teams successful & running smoothly. The owners/GMs are the ones who keep the "little guys" of GLB happy - the guy who builds 3 or 4 dots probably isn't rage quitting over the complexity, but when 2 of the 3 teams his dots play for go belly up because the owenrs/GMs running it are fed up it will definitely indirectly impact those agents.
I think your description of mgmt digging in on these decisions was accurate. It seems really close-minded. What kills me even more is that they are digging into the trenches on an obvious negative sum decision - it really makes me question what the heck they are thinking.
I, for one, will be cutting back. I won't be spending all the cash on this game after this season. Killer Toad joked with me last season that I'd not be around because of something. Who cares what, but I have a strong team that is doing well and a ton of GLB cash that is going away next season. I started this team back in the day of not having any stadium what ever level you bought it at. I paid 400 flex season after season all the while counting pennies, not being able to fulfill players EQ because of starting with no stadium and gutting the team to CPU to get money and now after I finally have money to compete they're going to take it away. Bullshit! This game sucks..........And I've had this team sense season 7.......
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I agree with you Alostsoul and Ryiot. I especially feel for dudes like Alostsoul who put so much money in this game with a solid vision in mind...only to get the rug pulled from under you with no warning midway through a damn season. I don't know if they want to clear out a bunch of us or not, but this game has crossed over the line from being fun to being a job to have a successful team or do more than just be a dot. I really used to like gameplanning and setting up lineups week to week. Now it's a damn chore.
Many of us are still here because of the friendships we built in years of playing together on the same team. I was gone, I had retired all my top guys and resigned from GMing LOL and got a PM from JJ asking me to do one more run from scratch with him. It sounded like fun, lets start from level one with a full team of friends and see how far we can take it before our guys retire.
Now Bort is trying to take even that away. I guess he made his money off of us and this is his out. Business model suicide... kill the game and dance home to the bank.
I know alot of people on a lot of teams from WL all the way down... many many are leaving. Oh well we had fun while it lasted.
Many of us are still here because of the friendships we built in years of playing together on the same team. I was gone, I had retired all my top guys and resigned from GMing LOL and got a PM from JJ asking me to do one more run from scratch with him. It sounded like fun, lets start from level one with a full team of friends and see how far we can take it before our guys retire.
Now Bort is trying to take even that away. I guess he made his money off of us and this is his out. Business model suicide... kill the game and dance home to the bank.
I know alot of people on a lot of teams from WL all the way down... many many are leaving. Oh well we had fun while it lasted.
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I'm not even trying to understand anything, they have just made me care even less, hell, I don't even do anything on the Yokels!!!
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Originally posted by GuieetarBen
I'm not even trying to understand anything, they have just made me care even less, hell, I don't even do anything on the Yokels!!!
I hear ya. I haven't even game planned since the new changes have came out to see. For me personally, I come on long enough to train my players, type a few things in here and to friends and then I'm gone. I'm VERY disgusted with GLB ATM.
I'm not even trying to understand anything, they have just made me care even less, hell, I don't even do anything on the Yokels!!!
I hear ya. I haven't even game planned since the new changes have came out to see. For me personally, I come on long enough to train my players, type a few things in here and to friends and then I'm gone. I'm VERY disgusted with GLB ATM.
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