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Saris
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Originally posted by Catch22
It is what it is man - sorry. Bort thinks this is the best way to ensure balance between the various options and it's not like every one won't be using the same training system. You also need to factor in that ALG's are more efficient (for most builds now) so build efficiency will be balanced out somewhat (if we'd had time, probably would have made more sense to roll this out with the archetypes).


For what it's worth you could effectively eliminate that .2 per day discrepancy by reducing the cost of AEQ upgrades to 20 BT's and SP's to 10 BT's.
 
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Originally posted by Fumanchuchu
Why can't they do both?


LOL
 
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Originally posted by Saris
They'll reach points at 69+ where they're no longer efficient to train and they'll reach miniscule %'s where the bonuses no longer count, but it's too bad because they're the handful you have unlocked. Then later when you do need to train an ability for a sustained period of time agi/stam etc, you're sol because they'd cost a million points to unlock being so far down the line.


lolSaris....was talking to my co owner for hours today about multiple training combos being worthless on primary major attributes.
 
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okay, cba to read 540 posts

are they gonna do something with the bonus tokens already accrued or are we just fucked when it comes to AEQ?
 
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Originally posted by PLAYMAKERS
lolSaris....was talking to my co owner for hours today about multiple training combos being worthless on primary major attributes.


Interesting. Although remember you don't need to unlock both to train two. Let's say you have an offensive lineman and want to train ST/BL first. You could train ST and unlock BL to train both. YOu will cap ST pretty quickly and quit training it. Then let's say you want to continue training BL (already unlocked) and now AG. You would train AG (no need to unlock it) and BL (already unlocked). Finally you cap BL. Now you train AG (still unlocked) and you unlock SP. You finally cap AG. Now you train CON without needing to unlock it and SP (already unlocked). And so on.
 
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Originally posted by sunshineduck
okay, cba to read 540 posts

are they gonna do something with the bonus tokens already accrued or are we just fucked when it comes to AEQ?


You can keep your existing AEQ if you like it. Any bonus tokens you have before the change occurs will be translated into 3 times its current value up to a max of 255. So if you have more than 85 BT you should try and get some into a piece of AEQ.

AFter the change over you should be able to more easily maintain upgrades for three or four pieces of AEQ.
 
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Originally posted by sunshineduck
okay, cba to read 540 posts

are they gonna do something with the bonus tokens already accrued or are we just fucked when it comes to AEQ?


you can shop now with money or you can wait and shop with bonus tokens. the dollar turns into the peso in 30 days. tough decision.
 
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Originally posted by PLAYMAKERS
lolSaris....was talking to my co owner for hours today about multiple training combos being worthless on primary major attributes.


That was my point, he was talking about multiple training combos involving Throwing/Strength/Vision, I was pointing out some of the problems.
 
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Originally posted by PLAYMAKERS
you can shop now with money or you can wait and shop with bonus tokens. the dollar turns into the peso in 30 days. tough decision.


Call it the peso if you want but the value is the same unless you have more than 85 Bonus tokens. I can't imagine too many people are hoarding BT.
 
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Originally posted by QB Eater
Call it the peso if you want but the value is the same unless you have more than 85 Bonus tokens. I can't imagine too many people are hoarding BT.


well i was trying to decide whether to shop now or shop later.. the dude i'm worried about is only level 48 and has 0 shopping tokens

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Khirgoth
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This will be my last post on the topic. I have attempted to characterize my concerns with the system in a few posts and then posted alternatives that would offer more options in training but still keep the system simple and intuitive enough that people new to GLB could be successful at building dots. I have done my best to be constructive and keep the conversation constructive. It seems these changes are going to be inflicted on us regardless of the cogent and persuasive arguments that are being laid out by many highly experienced and valued customers of GLB.

To be honest, it feels like GLB is about to 'Jump the Shark' with these changes. And Catch is doing his best to be the mediator between a bad idea and the GLB customer base.

Just think about it for a moment there have been dozens and dozens of posts. On balance, there is high resistance to this change with some becoming more ambivalent and others having a 'wait and see' approach. A precious few are looking forward to the changes and it seems that some of those are doing it more out of loyalty to personalities in the game or loyalty to GLB rather than being excited about the changes themselves. And with all due regard, after having read all of these posts, there are a few calls for 'if something isn't broke don't fix it'. But the clear majority of people have asked complex questions that have required semi-complex answers.

The UI may simplify the execution of the training system, but nothing will simplify understanding the resulting impacts of that system. If you read some of the posts where people are crunching numbers, you can see the sweet spots emerging and get a sense for the decision making around the complexity of the system.

So with the above said, I urge in strongest terms that Bort and co. rethink this change. This is not simply because *I* think it is an inherently complex system and will turn off new customers and current casual users. It seems that a sizable portion of the community agrees. Moving forward with this change in spite of that outcry does two things. If the change is as frustrating as these posts have expressed, GLB will indeed lose a good portion of its user base and will turn off new customers as well. That will further be exacerbated by the multiple negative 'I told you so' posts and 'rage quit' posts that the moderators will be running around locking down in the weeks or months after the change is implemented.

Now of course, all of the nay-sayers could be wrong. I expect that Bort and co are taking this position as they move forward with these changes as is their right. They own and manage this game. But just for a moment, consider the other side and the possibility that this does bring with it unintended consequences. Can we possibly avoid jumping the shark?

Again, in the strongest terms I can muster, I would advocate rethinking this approach and revisiting many of the suggestions that have been put up over the life of these posts. In my opinion, this system as it stands will do more harm than good to GLB.

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Edited by Khirgoth on Apr 18, 2010 23:23:42
 
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Originally posted by QB Eater
Call it the peso if you want but the value is the same unless you have more than 85 Bonus tokens. I can't imagine too many people are hoarding BT.


cool story
 
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Originally posted by Khirgoth


Again, in the strongest terms I can muster, I would advocate rethinking this approach and revisiting many of the suggestions that have been put up over the life of these posts. In my opinion, this system as it stands will do more harm than good to GLB.

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They have been taking a lot of suggestions from these threads actually.
 
Khirgoth
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Well I hadn't intended continuing to post, but as my previous submission had elicited a response that warranted a response in kind...

Bhall43

Understood. However, in an earlier post that has been quoted a few times in this thread, I outlined the inherent concerns around the training/enhanced training mechanisms that are at the heart of the issue along with various other concerns highlighted by the community. These remain in the proposed system and changing things around the edges will not alleviate the impacts from the system outlined in my post.
Edited by Khirgoth on Apr 18, 2010 23:31:14
Edited by Khirgoth on Apr 18, 2010 23:30:57
 
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Originally posted by Khirgoth
Just think about it for a moment there have been dozens and dozens of posts. On balance, there is high resistance to this change with some becoming more ambivalent and others having a 'wait and see' approach. A precious few are looking forward to the changes and it seems that some of those are doing it more out of loyalty to personalities in the game or loyalty to GLB rather than being excited about the changes themselves. And with all due regard, after having read all of these posts, there are a few calls for 'if something isn't broke don't fix it'. But the clear majority of people have asked complex questions that have required semi-complex answers.

The UI may simplify the execution of the training system, but nothing will simplify understanding the resulting impacts of that system. If you read some of the posts where people are crunching numbers, you can see the sweet spots emerging and get a sense for the decision making around the complexity of the system.

So with the above said, I urge in strongest terms that Bort and co. rethink this change. This is not simply because *I* think it is an inherently complex system and will turn off new customers and current casual users. It seems that a sizable portion of the community agrees. Moving forward with this change in spite of that outcry does two things. If the change is as frustrating as these posts have expressed, GLB will indeed lose a good portion of its user base and will turn off new customers as well. That will further be exacerbated by the multiple negative 'I told you so' posts and 'rage quit' posts that the moderators will be running around locking down in the weeks or months after the change is implemented.

Certainly a well thought out post. But I think it should be noted that the majority that don't have a problem with it anymore, just won't say anything. So all you'll basically see is the people who do have a problem with it. And this thread is much smaller than the original, with fewer posters. Something to think about.

 
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