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If you look through the coaching staff of all the Gold teams, you will find that several teams share coaches. In fact, there are a couple well known coaches that play a big factor in 2-3 different Gold teams, so not just LOL-GM's. I think this is wrong as it limits the talent pool. If someone is good enough to run a Gold level team, they should only do it for their one team, not several.

My idea is to limit a person's ownership/coaching/GM status to ONLY one Gold team. They can be on as many Silver and Copper teams as they want, but only one Gold team. What this does is makes a team earn their keep in Gold and not just hire another Gold coach to run part or all of their team.

Some prime examples are...

Lord Evil:
Owner of SBWL
Head Coach of AC.

mccollums:
Head Coach of Tombstone Outlaws.
Head Coach of Cascade Surly Goats.

PING72:
Head Coach of Wood Village Whistle Pigs.
DC of New Orleans Pee Wees.
GM of Georgia Assault.

No Fear:
Owner of New Orleans Pee Wees.
Recruiter of The Insane Asylum.
OC of Wood Village Whistle Pigs.
GM of Georgia Assault.

ncooke:
Owner of Wood Village Whistle Pigs.
Scout of New Orleans Pee Wees.
GM of Georgia Assault.

chitchc2:
Owner of Georgia Assault.
DC of Wood Village Whistle Pigs.
GM of New Orleans Pee Wees.

That's just to name the big ones, but there are a lot of people who are a coach/GM on multiple Gold teams.. I think you can see my point. You don't play just one Gold mind, you play multiple Gold level minds and do that against multiple teams. If this keeps up, most Gold teams will all share the same coaching staff. Think the NFL allows anything even close to this? We need to EXPAND the talent pool, not limit it, which is what is happening now. If we limit people to being a owner/coach/GM on only one Gold team, that increases the talent pool by a lot, which is healthier for the game in general.

I think you read way too much into it.

I have very little to do with what happens on NOPW, WVWP or FT except when there is a need to cover for a vacation or some other event in real life that would prevent the owner from doing it himself. I think I was DC for one of those teams only once last season and that was for a tourney game. Most of the time we don't even have access to the AI so we can't steal each others goodies.

At any rate you can export a game plan and import it from file if you are so inclined which means that even if we didn't have our names on the door we could still do what you are trying to prevent if we wanted to.

I run the Short Bus offense and the AC Defense, go figure..lol

If your going to go that far then why allow ANY gold team owners/Gms to have players on your team? Take Short Bus I have players on my team in association with AC Surf, Mississippi Muddogs, Copper 3 Legends, even your team Chicago Bears. Hell you have about 8 agents with players on your team with players on my team that have been on my team for many seasons. The list goes on and on. I think all it comes down to is who can guess the correct plays to play at the right time. Being a coordinator on another gold team is irrelevant.

Also most of these teams we were associated with throughout the rise to gold. AC Surf came from copper (Which Copper 3 Legends is NOT the first copper team to make gold, BTW) so I cant just drop them just because they made it to gold.

Meh... It's just a game... This shit gets a max of 1-2 hours a day from me if that. This will be my only season in Gold as I am taking the summer off and just making players for other people. Maybe come back and start from scratch when it gets cold out.

First of all, big surprise that those who do this the heaviest are the ones who speak out against my idea...

I can't know who does exactly what on a team, so when I see someone on multiple Gold teams, mainly outside a LOL-GM roles, it does raise a concern.

I have no issues with having players from other teams on mine as that doesn't give them any access to my tactics. You are correct in that I have a few people with ties to other Gold teams on my Bears, but they are all LOL-GM's with no rights. This was simply done to try to give them an added incentive to do their best when it came to their players. I would have ZERO problems removing them from GM status if this idea took hold. As for me, I don't have any coaching/GM position on any other Gold team, nor do I have anyone from another team doing any coaching on mine.

I think an example is needed on how this could be abused. Say I face Ping's WVWP team and he figures out how to beat me. Because he is associated with the NOPW, he shares that info with them and they now know how to beat me. Then No Fear shares that info with GA if I ever face them in a Tourney, and they now know. Thus one person who figured out a good way to beat me sends that info out to multiple teams who might have not figured it out. That's what bothers me.

A 2nd example would be mccollums. He is the head coach of Tombstone and won the championship last season and is one of the front runners for this season. He also is the head coach of the Goats. Yes he is a great coach, but is it fair to the rest of us to have to face his system, which is superior, twice? I could easily see the West championship game being Tombstone vs the Goats.

I know that there are not a lot of Gold level talent people in Pee-Wee, and some of those I have mentioned are some of the best around. So why should I have to face their systems multiple times a year rather than just once as it should be? Plus when you have teams that have the same base core coaching staff, like WVWP & NOPW, I face a collective of Gold knowledge rather than just a single team and have to face that at least twice a season.

I just think that there should be a rule against this as it inflates the quality of certain teams above what they should be and that is unfair to the rest of us. I am the first to admit that those who I have mentioned are better Gold coaches then I am and I expect to face them and probably loose. What I don't like is to face a team full of them and do it multiple times.

tbh I think itd be better to limit ACCEPTING Gold GM spots.....Meaning that you can be on as many Gold teams as you want, as long as you help get the team there, from silver. However, you cant just accept GM spots from a gold team if you are already a GM or owner of a Gold team.

Reason I say it that way, is because you have to realize that many of these people were part of the staff for these teams BEFORE they made it to gold....like LE has been part of the Surf since they were created, I believe.....why should he have to relinquish power, just because he got them into Gold, like his own team?

I think it defeats the purpose of the gold league if you want these silver teams to get here with a gold staff, only to be stripped of their coaches once they reach gold. This would also likely create a Dynasty....because with only one chance to GM a Gold team, do you think agents will pick a last place team? No, they will pick a great team like Short Bus, Tombstone, etc....., and then we will have a situation where one team is stacked with 20 experianced Gold agents, and the rest in the conference are left to figure things out themselves.......

As it is, Gold already burns people out.....one season in Gold and all the sudden, many of my players no longer had an interest in pee wees......think of what it would do if it were like this.......
Silver teams get help from Gold agents, and then are expected to run the team themselves once in Gold......
Then once in Gold, they run into Super Power teams with all the great Gold agents.....and have no chance. This would cause many teams to just fold once they reach Gold.

As it stands now.......there is a pretty good level of trust and community in the Gold league.......last season I had a few players on my team that had other Gold affiliations, but I was never concerned about anything, because in the Gold league, everyone seems to be on the same page in terms of being fair and playing a good game.....everyone wants every team to be competitive.....and not allowing current Gold agents to help out new Gold teams would IMO, destroy any new teams chance of surviving.....I think each season you would have a rotation between the last 4 spots.....and the top 12 would be the same, season after season.

Last season I woulda been lost without some help from Kxyoan, who also was a member of shortbus.....

I just think, unless there are incidents, theres no reason to ban this......because has anyone had any issues? Noone is stealing A.I. or anything like that, like I said, its a pretty good level of trust and community, and I felt comfortable, knowing that if anything happened, id just come in here and post and know that every other Gold owner would have my back, because they all want Gold to be fair and competitive.

I think Gerr is onto something in principle but the implemenation of his idea or concept would be very difficult. It's not just the GM/Coach/Coordinator thing, but as LE suggests the majority of Gold team rosters are filled with a lot of the same agents. If an agent learns a build trick or tip from one team, they will use it (and possibly share the know how of it) for their other players.

If I may reveal my inner geek to draw an analogy, the Gold league is like the Borg (from Star Trek Next Generation) in that everyone is connected to one another; there is virtually no individuality in terms of builds, gameplanning, what have you. Part of this is that we are in the top tier and teams are smart enough to use what works and that limits your options, and another is that it takes a special group of agents to be willing to constantly go through flex each year.

I also beleive that Gerr's point accelerates this process, and that IF there was a way to limit the talent sharing without destroying the product, that it would be worth considering.

Originally posted by LordEvil
(Which Copper 3 Legends is NOT the first copper team to make gold, BTW)

It's a play on the name of C3L, and an attempt to let me in copper tourneys. It is really a combo of Gooder doing defense, Jynxy doing ST*, and me doing Offense and recruiting.

@Gerr

I hear you, I had juice and RK help a little in the playoffs to reach gold. But I can say in faith that they didn't "do" the AI or anything. Half of the fun of pee wee is having a few teams and all. I signed up for quite a few gold teams this season as an agent before my team got into gold, it is just the nature of the beast. I was on ACS last season when they had to play short bus twice, and you could tell it was uncomfortable for both owners.
I think it'd be fun to have a league where you could play say 20 dollars or so for the team and have fully boosted dots and throw away this boosting/CE B.S., but it's your money and all. It's also people sometimes like to be on 2-3 teams. I know you are on two pretty good silver teams in WSB and NO who dot (greatests DTD's team). If they went gold, what would you do?

If they went Gold, I would pull out of them, especially if they are in my same conference. I think there is just too much work to be done in Gold to be on multiple teams as an active coach.

Originally posted by Gerr
First of all, big surprise that those who do this the heaviest are the ones who speak out against my idea...


We don't "do" anything that was my point. I suppose if we were "doing" something then it would be a concern. I don't mind dropping to to LOLGM on WVWP I have no rights to anything now anyway.

I responded first because you called me out on it and I'm not just going to watch you spout off at the mouth without at least setting the record straight.

The offense for all 4 of our teams (FT isn't in gold yet but will be one day) is completely different and so is the defense because we don't actually do what you are worried about. Beyond that there are big build differences between our teams because surprise we don't all agree on how things should be done.

Now if you really were facing the best of the four of us each time then it probably wouldn't be fair but before we could do that we would have to agree who was the best in the first place. Not much chance of that happening anytime soon I think.

Also, I think you should leave me out of it as I'm in the East and clearly no threat to anyone.

Most people claim to be, brothers, husband and wife teams, uncles, cousins, ect.... until they really decide to do an IP sweep and Ban Proxies ALL Together. It's just going to be a cluster fuck! http://www.ehow.com/how_4550897_change-ip-address.html
It is all about the Benjamin's. I have seen a guy play with over 25 Multi's and get away with until he got reported, that could of gone on for 3-4 seasons before hand.

I agree with ya Gerr as Vreck said, "in principal as well"

Dtown is my multi, I am into hot buff guys as you can tell by my other avy

Originally posted by LordEvil
Dtown is my multi, I am into hot buff guys as you can tell by my other avy

Yeah please, get real. As you don't know who this is?

I think trolling is illegal on GLB.