Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Sal Basss
So have there been zero tests on the test server since April 21?

Indeed. Can we get some updates in here?

I do not speak officially for the Test Server, but most of the testing done recently has been interface related. Looking for bugs, typos, etc in the new systems. There hasn't been any sim testing for the testers to look at/iterate/respond to for several weeks. I know that Catch22 and perhaps others are doing a different set of testing behind the scenes separate from what us basic testers have access to.

any word on catch testing/balancing the SAs?

Originally posted by Enkidu98
I do not speak officially for the Test Server, but most of the testing done recently has been interface related. Looking for bugs, typos, etc in the new systems. There hasn't been any sim testing for the testers to look at/iterate/respond to for several weeks. I know that Catch22 and perhaps others are doing a different set of testing behind the scenes separate from what us basic testers have access to.

Thank you. That's at least something.

just curious, has bort given the testers a tool for simulating builds in the new system yet?

We can use the new training system, but can't really build a player from the ground up. The test server is basically supposed to be just an earlier version of what we'll eventually have here, so there's no accelerated build tool or anything. It would be interesting to have, but I'm sure Bort has other things to spend his time on.

well thats unfortunate.

This really needs to be updated.

What happened to weekly updates?

Originally posted by HULK
This really needs to be updated.

What happened to weekly updates?

that would be nice

There have been no major tests since prior to the end of last season. The discussion on the test server following the roll-out of the new systems have been focused around interface issues and discussions on the new training and financial system.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4059137

Well I'm no longer a Tester so I have no idea what they are doing anymore.

Originally posted by Enkidu98
Well I'm no longer a Tester so I have no idea what they are doing anymore.

P much nothing ATM. Catch is in the process of revamping the test sever. Currently, outside of repeatedly pointing out that the live server is down, it's void of activity.

Originally posted by Sal Basss
So have there been zero tests on the test server since April 21?

This has been it. Otherwise, everything else was held up by training and the promo/$$$ stuff taking so long to get coded.

Spin/CF changes thread (don't know where this should go and needed a place to post so yeah) thread title
Originally posted by Deathblade
After watching my game and PP's games...

I would say, on a scale from 1 to 10, with 1 being super weak, 5 being balanced, and 10 being S8 Slam...Spin is about a 6, and CF is about a 4. Obviously going to keep looking though.

Also, a few wonky plays
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2164&pbp_id=481790 - wtf is up with WR1? He jumps around all over the place
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2164&pbp_id=481861 - Serious, serious route jumping by the CB
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482310 - lololol look off
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482325 - Play is just "wat"...HB does a ton of bouncing around, CB bounces off of him, but no broken tackles anywhere?

Originally posted by PP
I've only watched the 1st half of my 1st test game

Here's every replay of a CF from the 1st half (50/05 run pass)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2164&pbp_id=481726 (CB doesn't even brk stride)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2164&pbp_id=481728 (same)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2164&pbp_id=481739 (same on WR1)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2164&pbp_id=481752
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2164&pbp_id=481767
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2164&pbp_id=481850 (this one maybe helped a little, or it may have been the cut)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2164&pbp_id=481964 (CB paused a slight amount)

I'm not completely sold that even 1 did a damn bit of good...the bottom 2, maybe, but that may have also been from the cut

As far as PF is concerned, there was only 1 the entire first 1/2. Granted, it was a good one, but still....out of 31 pass attempts, 1 PF? Hell, Look Off fired off more than PF, which says something
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482330

Spin looked fairly reasonable, but I think we have to give something p damn substantial to the run game if we're going to take something away, since the run game is considerably weaker than the pass game.

I ran another test that I haven't had a chance to look at yet (all 4 backs have BT%, Slippery, QF, running on Super Elusive....And, I added % fake to WR1 & WR2 on Jacks, but left the TCTF WRs alone)

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2165

PFs in 1st 1/2
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482302
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482312
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482327
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482330
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482338
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482349
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482357 (damn good PF)

Catch Fakes
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482310 (nice Look Off, but CF did nothing)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482316 (did it actually do anything to the CB?)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482327 (maybe helped????)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482330 (All PF, I'm guessing)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482335 (I think CF actually did something worth while on this paly)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482342 (flat out nothing, and that WR has 25% fake chance)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482349 (no impact)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482360 (no impact)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2165&pbp_id=482370 (no impact)


Spin looked very reasonable again, little lower than I'd like, but that probably fits what most of you want. PF fired a lot more the 2nd test, for some reason 7 times out of 37 attempts (1 out of 31 in my first test).

Suggestions
CF needs to be turned at least 1/2 back to where it was. Frankly, I think it's worthless now. Out of 16 CFs, MAYBE it did something worth while in 2 of them. If it is released like this, I massively regret investing anything in it.
PF could use a little more of a bump, maybe, but unsure....sucked in the 1st game, not bad in 2nd
Spin is most likely about right, but I really think we need to throw the run game more of a bone than the lessened reverse pancakes....Maybe a boost to Juke & HF? Pure run teams were at a VERY big disadvantage to pass teams last ssn and now we just greatly lessened their biggest threat....and we should lessen it, but also give them something back in return, IMO.

Also, IMO, the biggest potential exploit with Spin is really on the WRs. 2 off ssns ago, Bort made it so the WR had a buff to brk tkls for the 1st x clicks after the catch. That is a big boost to the Spin WRs and should probably be taken away.

Originally posted by PP
3rd test

CFs
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2166&pbp_id=482465 (seemed to slow the CB down a smidge)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2166&pbp_id=482466 (no impact)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2166&pbp_id=482469 (appears to have slowed the CB for 1 click, but going click by click, you can't even tell)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2166&pbp_id=482488 (no impact)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2166&pbp_id=482490 (no impact)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2166&pbp_id=482494 (no impact)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2166&pbp_id=482515 (no impact)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2166&pbp_id=482542 (no impact)

PFs
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2166&pbp_id=482485
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2166&pbp_id=482488
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2166&pbp_id=482489
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2166&pbp_id=482504
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2166&pbp_id=482521

Suggestions the same as before...Spin does still fire at a respectable rate, particularly with the PBs. I REALLY think you have to tie everything to the slider or dump Spin from it. I know there's no where near enough time for that this ssn. So, I'd suggest bumping HF & Juke a little, to help level the playing field for Elusives and Run teams...CF is p much worthless at this time. PFs a little lower than I'd personally like. Spin is probably about where it should be. With the right build, you can still get it to fire at a very good rate, but not to the extremes it did before. Reverse cakes are definitely down, but still do occur.

Originally posted by Catch22
A lot of the ones you say no impact PP - I disagree with. I see momentary separation being created on several of those.

some debate occurs here about the run game and CF stuff...none of it holds any relevant or usable info, just debate type stuff on what things should do

Originally posted by PP
Just found out a few things from Catch
1) Bort did indeed change CF so that it only kicks in on cuts now
2) Bort told him that he didn't change the severity of CF at all, which is a little concerning, since it was went from commonly causing a DB to be froze for 4 clicks to now it being a 1/2ish click
3) Catch asked that he turn it up "a little"

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2175

Jack's starting WRs still have 21 & 25% fake, all have 10 CF

CF's, in order:
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484031 (appears to work decent on this one, but hard to tell because of the timing)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484031 ( "insignificant")
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484077 (1/2 a click slow down)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484086 ( "insignificant")
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484096 ( "insignificant"***)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484099 ( "insignificant")
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484114 (1 click impact, maybe)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484124 ( "insignificant"***)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484160 (possibly significant impact**)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484163 (can't tell with the PF)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484175 (actually helped the CB get better position)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484200 (pretty good puase, but doesn't help at all because it takes so long for the WR to make his cut)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484213 (without a doubt, legitimately helped)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484214 (possibly significant impact**)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484236 ( "insignificant")
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484241 (didn't pause, but one can debate if it had an impact or just normal coverage)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484255 ( "insignificant"***)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484262 ( "insignificant"***)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484271 ( "insignificant"***)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484280 (possibly significant impact**)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484282 (without a doubt, legitimately helped)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484308 ( "insignificant")
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484319 (without a doubt, legitimately helped)
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484378 (froze the CB, but didn't help)


*** After studying a bit closer, the comeback routes are simply the CBs reacting as they normally do without a CF
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484148
**
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2175&pbp_id=484194

79 passes, 24 CF plays.

I'm going to let you guys comment on this....and pls do. I don't want to monopolize the comments and they'd just be the same as before anyway.