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1) If you find AE on your bonus SA, does the bonus go on your AE or just your base score? Same ? for CE.
2) If you find AE on your penalty SA, does the penalty go on your AE or not?

Imo, AE should be unaffected by bonus or penalty. Otherwise, we'll have people taking SA's to 25 to get super ginormous bonuses.

I also don't think it should be a penalty if I want spin on my power back without a penalty and I'm willing to invest AE in it to avoid the penalty. Don't think it's an exploit because you'd be passing on a more powerful AE (break tackle %) to get around the penalty to pursue a more diverse build. I think that's a legit choice.

I think diminishing returns should take care of stacking too many bonus SA pieces. As for penalty SAs, the whole point of the archetypes is that you actually have to choose a more realistic path. For example, if you choose a power HB, the penalty on elusive SAs should be there and affect both EQ and the base score. If you don't want that penalty, you need to go combo.

On a similar note, will AEQ be able to stack on top of the 11th bonus SA? Also, will there be new AEQ for the Archetype Specific SAs?

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
On a similar note, will AEQ be able to stack on top of the 11th bonus SA? Also, will there be new AEQ for the Archetype Specific SAs?

From what I've read...Yes, stack on the AE if you roll it, though you may now want to get that AE in a 12th SA instead, or something "deeper" on one of your trees (since it seems like the bonus SA will be like a First SA). And a confirmed NO to the other one.

Originally posted by pottsman
From what I've read...Yes, stack on the AE if you roll it, though you may now want to get that AE in a 12th SA instead, or something "deeper" on one of your trees (since it seems like the bonus SA will be like a First SA). And a confirmed NO to the other one.

My thought was more along the lines of a KR/PR CB with 16 RS and 16 Spin. Bonus SA as Spin; AEQ in RS/Spin/Break Tackle%.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Originally posted by pottsman

From what I've read...Yes, stack on the AE if you roll it, though you may now want to get that AE in a 12th SA instead, or something "deeper" on one of your trees (since it seems like the bonus SA will be like a First SA). And a confirmed NO to the other one.

My thought was more along the lines of a KR/PR CB with 16 RS and 16 Spin. Bonus SA as Spin; AEQ in RS/Spin/Break Tackle%.

See, my thoughts would be KR/PR CB, 11 RS, 10 Spin, 8 Power Through, with more strength than the typical returner could be beastly.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
I think diminishing returns should take care of stacking too many bonus SA pieces.

I dunno, let's say you take pancake to 10 andd 1 for CE and 3 AEQ's, you get to 26. Not put a 20% bonus on and, you're at 31. Even with a fractional bonus, that 5 point bump is probably going to help.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
As for penalty SAs, the whole point of the archetypes is that you actually have to choose a more realistic path. For example, if you choose a power HB, the penalty on elusive SAs should be there and affect both EQ and the base score. If you don't want that penalty, you need to go combo.

But I believe it has been said by catch and others that nothing prevents you from pursuing builds that don't just max out the majors and bonus SAs or even builds with the penalties. Therefore, I don't think using AE to get those SAs should bring a penalty, especially if there's not a bonus on the AE.

I think it has to be both bonus and penalty or neither. I don't see how no bonus but yes penalty on AE makes sense.

Anyway, I guess the point is I think it's one of those issues that needs an answer before bad choices unknowingly get made.

Originally posted by ijg

Imo, AE should be unaffected by bonus or penalty. Otherwise, we'll have people taking SA's to 25 to get super ginormous bonuses.

I also don't think it should be a penalty if I want spin on my power back without a penalty and I'm willing to invest AE in it to avoid the penalty.

I disagree on both counts. I can see the concern about having a 25 SA plus a bonus, but at that point you are using 3 pieces of fully upgraded AEQ to get it, and suffering increasing diminishing returns for the SA beyond 10.