Goal Line Blitz - American Football MMORPG

PP
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Dec 29, 2009 10:48:37

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InRomoWeTrust
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Dec 29, 2009 10:57:06

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http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1642&pbp_id=355717

mmmm

eaglesfan20
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Dec 29, 2009 12:48:11

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http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1642&pbp_id=355792

this would need to be looked at by bort and something changed i think - it looks like the receiver catches a TD in the end zone and then fumbles
if he has possession in the end zone it should be a TD or it needs to be an incomplete pass and not a fumble in this situation

but i like the way zones are looking there - not every player on the field is able to get to the ball by the time it makes it to the receiver

Edited by eaglesfan20 on Dec 29, 2009 12:48:26

PP
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Dec 29, 2009 13:02:45

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Yeah...that's in the list of plays I have that "aren't right" above.

TxSteve
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Dec 29, 2009 13:53:22

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thanks PP - on a side note - from what I can see - test games on the test server still aren't getting a time stamp - which makes it tougher to keep track of (for me).

could you get the other testers to date their own comments on a game?

example:

instead of:
1648: 14-7 PP test pulling Gs with 100 speed & 80 agility
(player summary)

put:
1648: 14-7 - 12/29 - PP test pulling Gs with 100 speed & 80 agility
(player summary)

Deathblade
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Dec 29, 2009 14:05:52

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And defenders can still not deflect a pass unless they are humping the WR's leg : /

Originally posted by PP
just a nice play, showing more human zone coverage
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1642&pbp_id=355781

The CB should have been able to get a hand on that pass.

Originally posted by PP
Notice that the FS & SS both break, but don't get there.
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1642&pbp_id=355740

LB could have possibly got a hand on that pass.

It just seems that the height of passes is screwed up. Anything besides a bullet pass completely ignores any defenders between the QB and receiver...it's like QB's throw passes 50 yards up in the air...except the flight time doesn't match that.

Edited by Deathblade on Dec 29, 2009 14:12:01

Edited by Deathblade on Dec 29, 2009 14:09:46

Deathblade
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Dec 29, 2009 14:07:13

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nvm found it

Edited by Deathblade on Dec 29, 2009 14:12:47

PP
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Dec 29, 2009 14:18:41

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Originally posted by TxSteve
thanks PP - on a side note - from what I can see - test games on the test server still aren't getting a time stamp - which makes it tougher to keep track of (for me).

could you get the other testers to date their own comments on a game?

example:

instead of:
1648: 14-7 PP test pulling Gs with 100 speed & 80 agility
(player summary)

put:
1648: 14-7 - 12/29 - PP test pulling Gs with 100 speed & 80 agility
(player summary)

Put your post on the test server...You can look at the team page to get that, but don't see the harm in including it either

bhall43
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Dec 30, 2009 03:35:41

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Originally posted by eaglesfan20
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1642&pbp_id=355792

this would need to be looked at by bort and something changed i think - it looks like the receiver catches a TD in the end zone and then fumbles
if he has possession in the end zone it should be a TD or it needs to be an incomplete pass and not a fumble in this situation

but i like the way zones are looking there - not every player on the field is able to get to the ball by the time it makes it to the receiver

im a little concerned by the frequency of WR fumbles...seems like we are going from a shit ton of KL passes to a shit ton of fumbles...passing is already somewhat of a concern as it is...

4 fumbles by WR's in that game alone...its much more rare for WR's to fumble in real life than HB's...so im hoping that PP's recommendation to Bort fixes this...

Edited by bhall43 on Dec 30, 2009 03:38:00

TxSteve
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Dec 30, 2009 07:09:39

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ya coincidentally (with the KL/Fumble change) - did anyone see the play in the Texans / Dolphins game this past weekend?

Chris Brown catches a pass over the middle - tucks the ball - gets crushed - ball goes flying - and even on review it is ruled incomplete. Struck me as exactly like some of the plays in GLB people have complained about

PP
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Dec 30, 2009 09:14:22

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Originally posted by bhall43
im a little concerned by the frequency of WR fumbles...seems like we are going from a shit ton of KL passes to a shit ton of fumbles...passing is already somewhat of a concern as it is...

4 fumbles by WR's in that game alone...its much more rare for WR's to fumble in real life than HB's...so im hoping that PP's recommendation to Bort fixes this...

completely agree...That's why I included that section saying this needs to be looked at/tweaked, even though that wasn't the test I was running.

NiborRis
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Dec 30, 2009 12:13:12

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Originally posted by bhall43
4 fumbles by WR's in that game alone...its much more rare for WR's to fumble in real life than HB's...so im hoping that PP's recommendation to Bort fixes this...

Everyone's original theory was that "WRs wouldn't fumble if the Jackhammer VA wasn't kicking in!"
This obviously isn't holding true, but how much of it is sim tweaking vs WR builds that could be adjusted? I don't have a WR so I really don't know how feasible changing WR builds is.

bhall43
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Dec 30, 2009 12:37:02

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Originally posted by NiborRis
Everyone's original theory was that "WRs wouldn't fumble if the Jackhammer VA wasn't kicking in!"
This obviously isn't holding true, but how much of it is sim tweaking vs WR builds that could be adjusted? I don't have a WR so I really don't know how feasible changing WR builds is.

it depends on how much is needed to counteract such a thing? it almost seems like WR's are taking bigger hits than HB's in these sims. all the crap in the world couldnt really help knocked loose all that much...so it just leaves me a bit worried..i mean...is 48 carrying and strength enough? 60? 68?

i would rather zone get fixed to reasonably beatable before we talk about WR builds being adjusted at least...zone is overpowered as it is...adding a fumblitis sector into the mix could be potentially god awful.

PP
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Dec 30, 2009 14:53:05

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Originally posted by PP
Test game, all zone, only now with the CBs also having ZS, 2nd attempt (thought that the zone test I ran was the last, but forgot about the pulling G, so 1st attempt was all pitches...not much to learn about zones from that

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http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1653&mode=pbp

General thoughts
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1654&pbp_id=358206 (I don't mind this...The CB has very good reaction time (probably too good), but the SS doesn't...Do wish the QB would have thrown sooner, but understand that it was 4th, also)

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1654&pbp_id=358211 (reasonable reaction time --maybe too fast for the CB yet-- but QB should have thrown sooner to hit the soft spot)

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1654&pbp_id=358213 (reasonable all the way around)

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1654&pbp_id=358216 (this just looks pretty)

All in all, I think the CBs reaction in zone could be reduced a smidge more, but is about right. I also think that the QB needs to do a better job of throwing to the weak spots in zones, not throwing when the WR hits the weak spot. It's often too late then. I'd like to see a few more big plays. It's something that just doesn't happen much anymore in the passing game. I think the fake WRs could use 1 more bump (at the same lvl you bumped them each individual time in the off ssn), and that'd help a little. I also believe that these changes help provide that a little too ( http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1654&pbp_id=358233 there were 2 more, bt they were the result of me selecting a zone D that didn't cover the deep balls well at all...Because of that, should have been more, really).

Now, as DB and I agreed earlier, if those things happen, I believe you also need to make PDs and ints easier to balance it. IMO, all of those acts together would make the game more fun for both sides of the ball.

Edited by PP on Dec 30, 2009 14:53:32

Deathblade
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Dec 30, 2009 15:52:31

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Nearly 200 passing plays...zero INTs : /

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