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Adam DeBarrio Jr. (Lv. 39 C)

Ht/Wt: 6'4", 307lbs

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 102.48 (87.48 Natural)
Speed: 49
Agility: 68.29
Jumping: 12
Stamina: 46.29
Vision: 48.29
Confidence: 29.29

Football Skills
Blocking: 94.48 (83.48 Natural)
Catching: 8
Tackling: 16.29
Throwing: 9
Carrying: 9
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Pass Blocking Abilities
Pass Block: 2
Strong Arm: 2
Shock Block: 2
Foundation: 5
Line General: 1

Run Blocking Abilities
Run Block: 0
Get Low: 3
Hands: 0
Cut Block: 0
Pancake: 0

Veteran Abilities
Goal Line Blocker: 3
Natural Leader: 3
Pass Blocker: 10
Showboat Blocker: 2


So what next? Agility to 74? Speed to 60? Vision to 60? More SAs? Currently training Stamina/Confidence.

I wish I could have those numbers on my C...

My 2 cents, confidence to 60. All of the other options you put up are also viable, but I think this will make the most difference in your build.

I know most don't think confidence is important, so flame away.

Originally posted by ColeWestgate
My 2 cents, confidence to 60. All of the other options you put up are also viable, but I think this will make the most difference in your build.

I know most don't think confidence is important, so flame away.

No I'm totally with you. Its just that I figure I might as well keep training it since I still get good returns.

But I also need to know what my long term goal for Stamina should be. I know most people say cap it at 48 and leave it there but what would be the positives and negatives of taking it higher?

I don't think stamina is something you need to bring up on your C with skill points until all of your other stats are where you want them to be. If you have a high enough strength, then you use less energy in the game. Team that with LG bonus for the C and you dont really need it much higher. I have seen some Cs with stamina 2nd capped, and it may improve pancake totals, but overall blocking, i'm meh about it.

I would probably also move all EQ to strength, then shift some of your VAs around so u can max out Great blocker. That way you don't lose the blocking bonus, and for my Cs I don't think they need pass blocker as they are usually double teaming or if they pick up a blitzer the blocking/agility should be high enough to compensate.

As for SAs, I would invest in run block and get low only, but i would wait on these until you have the attributes where u want them.

You can believe what you want. I think Stamina is underrated and may be vastly more important than most people think it is just as there are some other people (such as you two) who think highly of Confidence. Like any of us really know what the hell we're talking about anyway, it's all speculation. (But hey, I'll form my own opinion of CON after this season's playoffs...)

At any rate, an alternate option not so far mentioned: Start investing in Line General! Well, Confidence to the first cap first but... yeah. The C is high enough level that auto-gains are at a minimum and mostly an afterthought, it's safe to start considering SA investment over attributes now.

I don't see any point in taking stamina or confidence to 60. The reason being, you can take your last 2-3 seasons of your career and train these from 50 to 57. That's good enough IMO and lets you load up elsewhere.

WTF else are you going to train? Speed (60) + Agility (73) is a viable option as well, but IMO the sta/conf pair is the best way to end a build plan for... basically every position.

You wouldn't end your career training CON for a QB or Kicker/Punter but I digress. I don't why you couldn't train on basically anything except STR / BLK. The real problem is that, if one did take STA to 60 while leaving CON to train, there's nothing else to train CON with except VIS. That's kinda lame. :/ It's a little easier going the other way, since STA can be trained with SPD and AGI. I just have a hunch that Stamina might play a larger roll than we think it does in successive blocking rolls and I'm seriously considering second-capping it for my next lineman.

Honestly, you could still get away with training STR / BLK too. The training value on them will be the same as training anything else you'd choose, the only issue is the time it takes to get a return (hit 100%) on all that training. Obviously you wouldn't end your career on those but a player with 3-4 seasons to go (6th, 7th season player) could afford to take about two seasons worth of time to train them for one more point each before ending their final season squeezing a couple points out of his first/second-capped attributes. That way you don't "have" to train STA / CON (or other choice combo) for your final five seasons or whatever.\

As far as CON is concerned, I didn't see anything special in my Center's first playoff game with a HoaC-buffed 82+ Confidence. Four max playoff games isn't going to be terribly conclusive anyway but I figured I'd give it a shot and see maybe if the extra CON would completely wow me. My guy played well but nothing out of the ordinary. He looked faster than normal, though.

I kinda wanted to experiment with high stamina since it seems some people are going with high speed and high confidence. This will also serve a dual purpose since at the moment my team won't have a good backup Center next season, I'll need more stamina to stay on the field the whole game. I guess one way to look at it is how many DT/NT are going with high Stamina builds? Technically when they tire out, a high stamina C would still be fresh. Its late and I don't know what I'm talking about. We still have lots of time to discuss since I won't be able to boost until Season 12 starts.

It will take basically 3 boosts to cap Confidence at 48, and then I have nothing to look forward to. Where as I can put all my skill points into Stamina and switch my training to Vision/Confidence. Or I can put all my skill points into Speed and keep training Stamina/Confidence. My VAs help my Agility so taking that to 74 might be a waste at this point. And then there is always SAs......

What I would do is go ahead and cap stamina, then spend the rest on agility up to 74.

I would train vision/confidence until I got confidence to 33 or 34, then cap confidence and keep training vision/confidence until vision was 53 and trained to rollover once you got it to 61 or 68 whichever you want to take it to.

Then train confidence/stamina until confidence rolled over and switch to stamina/speed.

Once I got speed trained to 54 and ready to roll over, and vision was at the cap I wanted, I would go ahead and 2nd cap speed.

From there train confidence/stamina until retirement and spend any more sp you get in SAs.

I didn't do the math on how long that would take, but I think that should be 3 or 4 seasons worth at least.

That sounds like a great plan. But its more of a long term thing.

I guess I should have asked 2 things....

1) How do I get a Gold Bar starting now.
2) Out of all the options I have right now, what would have the most impact and improve me the most going into next season.

EDIT
I know that those 2 things might not necessarily work together.

You can't get a gold bar right now

Edit to add player link since I have 2 lvl 39 Cs (for now):
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1167370 - build open, all equipment off

My 39 C has natural
88.48 strength
87.48 blocking
69.29 agility
45 speed
50.29 vision
49.29 confidence
31.29 stamina

he only has a 75 run blocking bar

At this point, the thing that can help you the most for next season (and will do the most to raise your blocking bars) is to get confidence to the 1st cap. At this point, blocking and strength cost so much sp that raising confidence at 1:1 will increase it more than raising strength or blocking.

Each point you raise confidence, vision, agility is going to raise the bar the same. Speed now has some effect but I'm not sure it is as much as those and it definitely isn't more.

Who cares about a gold bar?

The way my training is going I should be able to get Stamina to 48 and Confidence to 33 in no time. At which point I think I will boost and put all my skill points into Confidence.

Then switch my training to either Speed/Stamina or Vision/Confidence.

Would it be a bad idea to add to my Special Abilities during Season 12?