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Pariah
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What would you say is more important to get to the second cap - Speed or Vision?

 
mandyross
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I did vision. I don't know what the correct answer though is.

If you pull a lot though then there could be an argument for speed I suppose.
 
comeasur337
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If you slowbuild properly, it shouldn't be much of a reach to take both to the 60-cap.
 
Pariah
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Originally posted by mandyross
I did vision. I don't know what the correct answer though is.

If you pull a lot though then there could be an argument for speed I suppose.


Yeah, I don't pull my guards too much, and that could play a part in the decision. I am just curious in general what the overall consensus is. I was leaning towards Vision, but Speed has its advantages as well, especially with the boost this season to outside running, pulling becomes a much more viable option.
 
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Originally posted by comeasur337
If you slowbuild properly, it shouldn't be much of a reach to take both to the 60-cap.


Well, he is a slowbuild and pretty much a pancake machine. He is slowed down this season because of the talent we face in AAA and being under leveled.

It isn't much of a reach to take both to 60, but I guess I should add to the question, which is more important to second cap "first."

Right now they both stand ~50. Since I have boosted already this season, I will only have a limited amount of SPs to play with this season, so I have to pick one of the two to work on.
 
shaneyp
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Vision - you'll see the pass blocking improve and as for the outside blocking thats what the VA is for
 
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def vision.
 
Octowned
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LG doesn't need much speed. He probably moves the least out of the entire o-line unless you use a few of those pitch plays where he pulls.
 
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Originally posted by Octowned
LG doesn't need much speed. He probably moves the least out of the entire o-line unless you use a few of those pitch plays where he pulls.


LG moves alot, especially on weak-side pitches. Not so sure what makes you come to this conclusion.
 
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Originally posted by MattMan Firespot
Originally posted by Octowned

LG doesn't need much speed. He probably moves the least out of the entire o-line unless you use a few of those pitch plays where he pulls.


LG moves alot, especially on weak-side pitches. Not so sure what makes you come to this conclusion.


...the fact that there's just one play the LG moves outside to pull?

...the fact that even on this one play, the LG mostly turnes right at the edge of the line to either pick up a poorly blocked DE or the ROLB - so the total distance travelled is 4-6 yards?

 
Octowned
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That play the LG almost always stops before actually making the pull.

And after that, he doesn't need much mobility in the pocket. The OTs have to move a lot to stay in front of DEs. C is going back and forth depending on the pass rush, double teaming or not. RG picking up blitzes, helping on a double team, etc.

Most of the time I watch, the LG is pretty stationary... You need AGILITY to prevent stun moves and reverse pancakes, but the speed I've never seen to be an issue at LG
 


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