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Like so many others, I'm getting sick of the game. Don't have the time to spend scouting and gameplanning, especially when we're in a state of stagnation where we can't win APL but we're not bad enough to move down.

I have interest in a slow build team, so we'll start from there and we hope to be back again with a decent shot at competing.

As for Freddie Mitchell, you may have not seen the last of him.

Good luck, I remember all the people in the original Africa AA#1 giving us shit for going 0-16 in season 3 (our first season). Getting blown out every game (although we never gave up over 100 points that first season). People told us slowbuilding was a waste of time, now they are all gutted with their own slowbuilds.

Originally posted by Joebarber
Good luck, I remember all the people in the original Africa AA#1 giving us shit for going 0-16 in season 3 (our first season). Getting blown out every game (although we never gave up over 100 points that first season). People told us slowbuilding was a waste of time, now they are all gutted with their own slowbuilds.

Good post.

Good Luck fred, take a break from the hard stuff, relax enjoy a few seasons of not giving a fuck then come back and do it all over again but this time better then ever!

Originally posted by Joebarber
Good luck, I remember all the people in the original Africa AA#1 giving us shit for going 0-16 in season 3 (our first season). Getting blown out every game (although we never gave up over 100 points that first season). People told us slowbuilding was a waste of time, now they are all gutted with their own slowbuilds.

I remember that. Seychelles quietly watched trying not to catch anyone's attention. We've always liked to try to stay off the radar I will say that I was surprised at first just how good you guys were...I mean are, considering your levels.

BTW, have fun slowbuilding Fred. It's hard to wait to spend those SPs, but trust me, it really starts to payoff.

Originally posted by Joebarber
Good luck, I remember all the people in the original Africa AA#1 giving us shit for going 0-16 in season 3 (our first season). Getting blown out every game (although we never gave up over 100 points that first season). People told us slowbuilding was a waste of time, now they are all gutted with their own slowbuilds.

You guys were definately ahead of the curve... unfortunately slowbuilding is now the "norm" and teams gutting now are going to have a much harder time having the success that DD has had since there is so much more competition and many more slowbuild teams throughout every region. There's definately an art to it though, there is a right and a wrong way to do it.

We did it before the whole new training layout and stamina stuff. It's a whole new science than what it was before.

Originally posted by palmer_garnett_95
Originally posted by Joebarber

Good luck, I remember all the people in the original Africa AA#1 giving us shit for going 0-16 in season 3 (our first season). Getting blown out every game (although we never gave up over 100 points that first season). People told us slowbuilding was a waste of time, now they are all gutted with their own slowbuilds.

I remember that. Seychelles quietly watched trying not to catch anyone's attention. We've always liked to try to stay off the radar I will say that I was surprised at first just how good you guys were...I mean are, considering your levels.

BTW, have fun slowbuilding Fred. It's hard to wait to spend those SPs, but trust me, it really starts to payoff.

I have quite a few slow build players going already. My slow build HB in particular is coming along very nicely and should be winning rushing titles in Oceania Pro in a couple seasons

I remember everyone trashing Cybertron War Machine back in S3 when they were everyone's punching bag but they won it all a few seasons later; if BuddyHorn hadn't sold the team they'd be dominating APL right now.

It's the only way to dominate in GLB. It's a very flawed system, but I need something to do with all those flex I bought when the game was still good.

Originally posted by FredEx


I remember everyone trashing Cybertron War Machine back in S3 when they were everyone's punching bag but they won it all a few seasons later; if BuddyHorn hadn't sold the team they'd be dominating APL right now.

It's the only way to dominate in GLB. It's a very flawed system, but I need something to do with all those flex I bought when the game was still good.


I think there's been quite a few slow build teams that were supposed to dominate PRO leagues, and most, if not all, have found the going a bit tougher in PRO leagues than expected. In fact, none have dominated that I know of once they made it to PRO. I have no doubt it would've been the same for Cybertron. DD was supposed to dominate the APL also. Instead, they're merely another one of the top teams in APL (nothing wrong with that btw). MP Hidden Dragons, same thing in SAPL. Mayan Prophecy, same thing in CPL. So saying a team would "dominate" in APL is a bit much imo. Washington Wolfpack, who were the original slow build team I think (season 2) did the same thing. Made their way to USAPL while slow building, but Painmaker diversified and opened the team to other agents once he got to USAPL in order to compete and has had great success as well.

Originally posted by Hokiemon
Originally posted by FredEx



I remember everyone trashing Cybertron War Machine back in S3 when they were everyone's punching bag but they won it all a few seasons later; if BuddyHorn hadn't sold the team they'd be dominating APL right now.

It's the only way to dominate in GLB. It's a very flawed system, but I need something to do with all those flex I bought when the game was still good.


I think there's been quite a few slow build teams that were supposed to dominate PRO leagues, and most, if not all, have found the going a bit tougher in PRO leagues than expected. In fact, none have dominated that I know of once they made it to PRO. I have no doubt it would've been the same for Cybertron. DD was supposed to dominate the APL also. Instead, they're merely another one of the top teams in APL (nothing wrong with that btw). MP Hidden Dragons, same thing in SAPL. Mayan Prophecy, same thing in CPL. So saying a team would "dominate" in APL is a bit much imo. Washington Wolfpack, who were the original slow build team I think (season 2) did the same thing. Made their way to USAPL while slow building, but Painmaker diversified and opened the team to other agents once he got to USAPL in order to compete and has had great success as well.


Fair enough. The point is, there's really no way to even compete in Pro unless you start with a slow build foundation.

The Peacekeepers started a bit ahead of the pack by lining up all the initial agents/players at the beginning of S2 and forming all its players in either S1 or the beginning of S2 (this was before level caps obviously), and we have held onto almost all our best players, replacing the few that left with equal or better players. Wasn't enough for us as we did not slow build from the start.

We're in a terrible spot as we can finish from between 11-5 and 5-11, but no higher and (without throwing games) no lower. That means, no shot at the championship, and no shot at being demoted to AAA#2 (a league which we are, level wise, too good for).

I know at least one agent that is selling his team if he is promoted to Pro. It's a sad spot to be in, but it's an inevitability for any team that doesn't slow build. I have no problem with slow building, but something tells me this isn't how Bort intended it to be.

I understand what your saying and GL to you, but to say there's really no way to even compete in Pro unless you start with a slow build foundation. is just wrong imo...My team doesnt have any slowbuilt players on it and while we havent won anything in pro yet, we are still succeeding and having alot of success. Im not trying to knock u at all, thats just my opinion

Originally posted by Hokiemon
Originally posted by FredEx



I remember everyone trashing Cybertron War Machine back in S3 when they were everyone's punching bag but they won it all a few seasons later; if BuddyHorn hadn't sold the team they'd be dominating APL right now.

It's the only way to dominate in GLB. It's a very flawed system, but I need something to do with all those flex I bought when the game was still good.


I think there's been quite a few slow build teams that were supposed to dominate PRO leagues, and most, if not all, have found the going a bit tougher in PRO leagues than expected. In fact, none have dominated that I know of once they made it to PRO. I have no doubt it would've been the same for Cybertron. DD was supposed to dominate the APL also. Instead, they're merely another one of the top teams in APL (nothing wrong with that btw). MP Hidden Dragons, same thing in SAPL. Mayan Prophecy, same thing in CPL. So saying a team would "dominate" in APL is a bit much imo. Washington Wolfpack, who were the original slow build team I think (season 2) did the same thing. Made their way to USAPL while slow building, but Painmaker diversified and opened the team to other agents once he got to USAPL in order to compete and has had great success as well.


This.
A slow build team can & probably will dominate their way into the Pros, but once they get up with the big boys, it's a different story. An owner then has to look to upgrade at key positions while trying to keep the core group intact - not an easy task, but it's necessary once you reach the Pros.

Originally posted by Outlawz
Originally posted by Hokiemon

Originally posted by FredEx




I remember everyone trashing Cybertron War Machine back in S3 when they were everyone's punching bag but they won it all a few seasons later; if BuddyHorn hadn't sold the team they'd be dominating APL right now.

It's the only way to dominate in GLB. It's a very flawed system, but I need something to do with all those flex I bought when the game was still good.


I think there's been quite a few slow build teams that were supposed to dominate PRO leagues, and most, if not all, have found the going a bit tougher in PRO leagues than expected. In fact, none have dominated that I know of once they made it to PRO. I have no doubt it would've been the same for Cybertron. DD was supposed to dominate the APL also. Instead, they're merely another one of the top teams in APL (nothing wrong with that btw). MP Hidden Dragons, same thing in SAPL. Mayan Prophecy, same thing in CPL. So saying a team would "dominate" in APL is a bit much imo. Washington Wolfpack, who were the original slow build team I think (season 2) did the same thing. Made their way to USAPL while slow building, but Painmaker diversified and opened the team to other agents once he got to USAPL in order to compete and has had great success as well.


This.
A slow build team can & probably will dominate their way into the Pros, but once they get up with the big boys, it's a different story. An owner then has to look to upgrade at key positions while trying to keep the core group intact - not an easy task, but it's necessary once you reach the Pros.

What everyone is failing to neglect is the fact that there are probably atleast 32 slowbuild teams in Africa now if not more... as with every other region. Its become the norm, and their simply arent enough spots in Pro for them to share. Even if your projecting down the road. I agree that slowbuilding is going to be needed for success after season 11 or 12, however thats simply because all the other teams will be slowbuilt and any non-slowbuild teams will simply be outclassed.

The past 3 seasons in various A leagues (for slowbuild and fresh start teams) its been my observation that every A/BBB league i've been in has atleast 6 or 7 slowbuild teams starting up. Its going to be alot harder for these teams to rise quickly and have the same success that season 3-6 slowbuild teams did. They will face more competition (each other) all the way up the bracket. The discerning factor will be who does it right and who does it wrong. I've been amazed at how many teams ive seen fuck it all up season 1 and 2. At that point there is absolutely no reason to continue.

Agreed, the future is definitely going to be for slow build teams. I was merely pointing out that slow build teams have not had the success some might think up to this point. That and the fact that having a slow build team has not been a necessity so far. Once the player decline hits for the original players, slow build players/teams will rise to the top, no doubt about it. Good luck UN, our slow build team will enjoy matching up against yours, and everyone else's

The additional benefit of slow building is you can watch all the kinks get worked out of this sim. Just hope you have 2-3 slow build teams to wait out the storm.