Great job with your game plan. First time we have been held that low all season. Congrats!
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Seriously? Not a single pass attempt? Actually looking through the play-by-play, Dresden ran the same play every single down. Way to exploit a glitch.
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Originally posted by Feff
Seriously? Not a single pass attempt? Actually looking through the play-by-play, Dresden ran the same play every single down. Way to exploit a glitch.
After all the crap they gave, I don't think you're in a position to blame me.
Seriously? Not a single pass attempt? Actually looking through the play-by-play, Dresden ran the same play every single down. Way to exploit a glitch.
After all the crap they gave, I don't think you're in a position to blame me.
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Originally posted by Feff
Seriously? Not a single pass attempt? Actually looking through the play-by-play, Dresden ran the same play every single down. Way to exploit a glitch.
You can thank Bort for making it that easy. But now you know what works against you, so try to fix it so it wont work as well next time.
Seriously? Not a single pass attempt? Actually looking through the play-by-play, Dresden ran the same play every single down. Way to exploit a glitch.
You can thank Bort for making it that easy. But now you know what works against you, so try to fix it so it wont work as well next time.
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Well, let me try to justify it another way.
We could only gain a couple of things:
1. Retain the hold on the 4th seed (NO way we can advance to the 3rd spot at this point)
2. And retain the hold on the home playoff game (either way we play Dublin in the first round, but as a 4th seed with a home game or a 5th seed without one, it makes a difference. Sorry Cherrie
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In no way did we exploit the glitch so that we can brag that we beat you. You keep the 2nd seed, which doesn't make a difference to us, as we'll get blown out by Amsterdam again in the 2nd round if we beat Dublin. Only real difference for you is that you have another loss on your record. You didn't lose anything but we gained everything as opposed to you gaining nothing and us losing everything.
We could only gain a couple of things:
1. Retain the hold on the 4th seed (NO way we can advance to the 3rd spot at this point)
2. And retain the hold on the home playoff game (either way we play Dublin in the first round, but as a 4th seed with a home game or a 5th seed without one, it makes a difference. Sorry Cherrie
)In no way did we exploit the glitch so that we can brag that we beat you. You keep the 2nd seed, which doesn't make a difference to us, as we'll get blown out by Amsterdam again in the 2nd round if we beat Dublin. Only real difference for you is that you have another loss on your record. You didn't lose anything but we gained everything as opposed to you gaining nothing and us losing everything.
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Originally posted by kutty
Originally posted by Feff
Seriously? Not a single pass attempt? Actually looking through the play-by-play, Dresden ran the same play every single down. Way to exploit a glitch.
You can thank Bort for making it that easy. But now you know what works against you, so try to fix it so it wont work as well next time.
There won't be a next time from us, we're done with that.
But yes, you might want to try and keep it from happening against other lower tier teams that might exploit it against you.
Originally posted by Feff
Seriously? Not a single pass attempt? Actually looking through the play-by-play, Dresden ran the same play every single down. Way to exploit a glitch.
You can thank Bort for making it that easy. But now you know what works against you, so try to fix it so it wont work as well next time.
There won't be a next time from us, we're done with that.
But yes, you might want to try and keep it from happening against other lower tier teams that might exploit it against you.
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There is no defense against it right now. People say that there is but if teams are evenly matched (or close) it is virtually unstoppable because you run it 4 downs and as long as you average 2.5 ypc you get first downs, etc.
What people need to complain about is not powerbacks. The problem is also not the play itself. It is more with the blocking and the extra half to full one yard extra you gain after being tackled. Also people need to realize you need a stronger LDE to help with this play and if your LDE is fast and agile and going for pass rush you will not be in position to help and so there you go by the time the LB and SS get involved it is too late.
So it is a combination of the way LDEs are being built, the sim issues, the fact the FB blocking works on this play as intended but not on many others, etc. A true powerback was not used on this and it still worked. That is where this is a learning experience.
EDIT: When I say blocking I mean there is no counter for a defense to set up right now and the strength boost to push back the defensive line gives a yard cushion even if same strength bonus on both sides and this one yard the one yard from after the tackle means you only have to gain a half yard and as I said you basically will in 4 downs get 10 yards. You may lose 1 gain 5, gain 3 gain 3 and then first down again. That is the issue.
What people need to complain about is not powerbacks. The problem is also not the play itself. It is more with the blocking and the extra half to full one yard extra you gain after being tackled. Also people need to realize you need a stronger LDE to help with this play and if your LDE is fast and agile and going for pass rush you will not be in position to help and so there you go by the time the LB and SS get involved it is too late.
So it is a combination of the way LDEs are being built, the sim issues, the fact the FB blocking works on this play as intended but not on many others, etc. A true powerback was not used on this and it still worked. That is where this is a learning experience.
EDIT: When I say blocking I mean there is no counter for a defense to set up right now and the strength boost to push back the defensive line gives a yard cushion even if same strength bonus on both sides and this one yard the one yard from after the tackle means you only have to gain a half yard and as I said you basically will in 4 downs get 10 yards. You may lose 1 gain 5, gain 3 gain 3 and then first down again. That is the issue.
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Originally posted by valakar
There is no defense against it right now. People say that there is but if teams are evenly matched (or close) it is virtually unstoppable because you run it 4 downs and as long as you average 2.5 ypc you get first downs, etc.
What people need to complain about is not powerbacks. The problem is also not the play itself. It is more with the blocking and the extra half to full one yard extra you gain after being tackled. Also people need to realize you need a stronger LDE to help with this play and if your LDE is fast and agile and going for pass rush you will not be in position to help and so there you go by the time the LB and SS get involved it is too late.
So it is a combination of the way LDEs are being built, the sim issues, the fact the FB blocking works on this play as intended but not on many others, etc. A true powerback was not used on this and it still worked. That is where this is a learning experience.
Hm. What if you were to purposefully let your defense allow the Slam to work in 1 play, resulting in a touchdown, and then run the same glitch on offense? Would it not then come down to who can score last? At least you have a chance...
There is no defense against it right now. People say that there is but if teams are evenly matched (or close) it is virtually unstoppable because you run it 4 downs and as long as you average 2.5 ypc you get first downs, etc.
What people need to complain about is not powerbacks. The problem is also not the play itself. It is more with the blocking and the extra half to full one yard extra you gain after being tackled. Also people need to realize you need a stronger LDE to help with this play and if your LDE is fast and agile and going for pass rush you will not be in position to help and so there you go by the time the LB and SS get involved it is too late.
So it is a combination of the way LDEs are being built, the sim issues, the fact the FB blocking works on this play as intended but not on many others, etc. A true powerback was not used on this and it still worked. That is where this is a learning experience.
Hm. What if you were to purposefully let your defense allow the Slam to work in 1 play, resulting in a touchdown, and then run the same glitch on offense? Would it not then come down to who can score last? At least you have a chance...
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Originally posted by Buer
Originally posted by Feff
Seriously? Not a single pass attempt? Actually looking through the play-by-play, Dresden ran the same play every single down. Way to exploit a glitch.
After all the crap they gave, I don't think you're in a position to blame me.
Hey, Im not mad at you. You did what you had to. There is no defense for it at this time. Another one of our OC's caught it about two games ago. I hope Bort puts a fix on it before the end of the season. It will turn season 8 into the biggest joke of GLB so far.
Originally posted by Feff
Seriously? Not a single pass attempt? Actually looking through the play-by-play, Dresden ran the same play every single down. Way to exploit a glitch.
After all the crap they gave, I don't think you're in a position to blame me.
Hey, Im not mad at you. You did what you had to. There is no defense for it at this time. Another one of our OC's caught it about two games ago. I hope Bort puts a fix on it before the end of the season. It will turn season 8 into the biggest joke of GLB so far.
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Originally posted by Dante929
Originally posted by Buer
Originally posted by Feff
Seriously? Not a single pass attempt? Actually looking through the play-by-play, Dresden ran the same play every single down. Way to exploit a glitch.
After all the crap they gave, I don't think you're in a position to blame me.
Hey, Im not mad at you. You did what you had to. There is no defense for it at this time. Another one of our OC's caught it about two games ago. I hope Bort puts a fix on it before the end of the season. It will turn season 8 into the biggest joke of GLB so far.
Supposedly they are looking at it but not correctly. They still believe it is more a powerback issue I am afraid. Hopefully, I am wrong about that part and they are seeing the bigger picture.
Originally posted by Buer
Originally posted by Feff
Seriously? Not a single pass attempt? Actually looking through the play-by-play, Dresden ran the same play every single down. Way to exploit a glitch.
After all the crap they gave, I don't think you're in a position to blame me.
Hey, Im not mad at you. You did what you had to. There is no defense for it at this time. Another one of our OC's caught it about two games ago. I hope Bort puts a fix on it before the end of the season. It will turn season 8 into the biggest joke of GLB so far.
Supposedly they are looking at it but not correctly. They still believe it is more a powerback issue I am afraid. Hopefully, I am wrong about that part and they are seeing the bigger picture.
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Originally posted by Buer
Well, let me try to justify it another way.
We could only gain a couple of things:
1. Retain the hold on the 4th seed (NO way we can advance to the 3rd spot at this point)
2. And retain the hold on the home playoff game (either way we play Dublin in the first round, but as a 4th seed with a home game or a 5th seed without one, it makes a difference. Sorry Cherrie)
In no way did we exploit the glitch so that we can brag that we beat you. You keep the 2nd seed, which doesn't make a difference to us, as we'll get blown out by Amsterdam again in the 2nd round if we beat Dublin. Only real difference for you is that you have another loss on your record. You didn't lose anything but we gained everything as opposed to you gaining nothing and us losing everything.
The only thing that pisses me off about this game is that we were planning the same strategy against Belfast if we were to play them again, LOL. Now they SHOULD be prepared for it
Other than that, I don't have any problem with it... I don't like the loss of the $4M we will lose not having a home game... but I'll manage somehow
Well, let me try to justify it another way.
We could only gain a couple of things:
1. Retain the hold on the 4th seed (NO way we can advance to the 3rd spot at this point)
2. And retain the hold on the home playoff game (either way we play Dublin in the first round, but as a 4th seed with a home game or a 5th seed without one, it makes a difference. Sorry Cherrie
)In no way did we exploit the glitch so that we can brag that we beat you. You keep the 2nd seed, which doesn't make a difference to us, as we'll get blown out by Amsterdam again in the 2nd round if we beat Dublin. Only real difference for you is that you have another loss on your record. You didn't lose anything but we gained everything as opposed to you gaining nothing and us losing everything.
The only thing that pisses me off about this game is that we were planning the same strategy against Belfast if we were to play them again, LOL. Now they SHOULD be prepared for it
Other than that, I don't have any problem with it... I don't like the loss of the $4M we will lose not having a home game... but I'll manage somehow
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Originally posted by valakar
There is no defense against it right now. People say that there is but if teams are evenly matched (or close) it is virtually unstoppable because you run it 4 downs and as long as you average 2.5 ypc you get first downs, etc.
What people need to complain about is not powerbacks. The problem is also not the play itself. It is more with the blocking and the extra half to full one yard extra you gain after being tackled. Also people need to realize you need a stronger LDE to help with this play and if your LDE is fast and agile and going for pass rush you will not be in position to help and so there you go by the time the LB and SS get involved it is too late.
So it is a combination of the way LDEs are being built, the sim issues, the fact the FB blocking works on this play as intended but not on many others, etc. A true powerback was not used on this and it still worked. That is where this is a learning experience.
EDIT: When I say blocking I mean there is no counter for a defense to set up right now and the strength boost to push back the defensive line gives a yard cushion even if same strength bonus on both sides and this one yard the one yard from after the tackle means you only have to gain a half yard and as I said you basically will in 4 downs get 10 yards. You may lose 1 gain 5, gain 3 gain 3 and then first down again. That is the issue.
Actually, there IS a way to stop it... a GM on Rome Pride in AAA#1 has done it on another team he is on, through testing in friendly scrimmages. Besides using the proper defensive set up, you need good players and proper player tactics set. Without the combination of those 3 things, you won't stop it.
The other thing that is broke is coverage on blitzes, which kills my defense as we have been a blitzing defense since the beginning, and now we can't blitz like we are used to because the HB passes will kill us.
There is no defense against it right now. People say that there is but if teams are evenly matched (or close) it is virtually unstoppable because you run it 4 downs and as long as you average 2.5 ypc you get first downs, etc.
What people need to complain about is not powerbacks. The problem is also not the play itself. It is more with the blocking and the extra half to full one yard extra you gain after being tackled. Also people need to realize you need a stronger LDE to help with this play and if your LDE is fast and agile and going for pass rush you will not be in position to help and so there you go by the time the LB and SS get involved it is too late.
So it is a combination of the way LDEs are being built, the sim issues, the fact the FB blocking works on this play as intended but not on many others, etc. A true powerback was not used on this and it still worked. That is where this is a learning experience.
EDIT: When I say blocking I mean there is no counter for a defense to set up right now and the strength boost to push back the defensive line gives a yard cushion even if same strength bonus on both sides and this one yard the one yard from after the tackle means you only have to gain a half yard and as I said you basically will in 4 downs get 10 yards. You may lose 1 gain 5, gain 3 gain 3 and then first down again. That is the issue.
Actually, there IS a way to stop it... a GM on Rome Pride in AAA#1 has done it on another team he is on, through testing in friendly scrimmages. Besides using the proper defensive set up, you need good players and proper player tactics set. Without the combination of those 3 things, you won't stop it.
The other thing that is broke is coverage on blitzes, which kills my defense as we have been a blitzing defense since the beginning, and now we can't blitz like we are used to because the HB passes will kill us.
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Originally posted by cherrie
Other than that, I don't have any problem with it... I don't like the loss of the $4M we will lose not having a home game... but I'll manage somehow
Sorry about that,. We need it more though 
. You already have your 2nd level finished!
Other than that, I don't have any problem with it... I don't like the loss of the $4M we will lose not having a home game... but I'll manage somehow
Sorry about that,
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