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Go pnewtonjr of Idaho Rex! Glad to have you as a leaguemate, give em hell!

Originally posted by pnewtonjr
Originally posted by Dustin Diamond

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Originally posted by Bort



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Originally posted by AgentTBC






Originally posted by Bort







Ok, I just finished running through a bunch of queries on player values from lv 1-50 and I didn't find any major outliers except for some of the retired/banned players who abused the short-lived re-roll bug we had a few seasons ago, and the 10 or so players who I found earlier at lv 1, who appeared to be created to test the bug.

I'll take a look at VA levels next. That is much easier to parse through, since we have an exact record of the number of points you have gotten and have spent, and there's no training/slow building type stuff involved.

Bort - any response to JoeRedneck's claim that he knows with absolute certainty that there are players who abused this bug who your searches are not catching?

If they are with the general range of slow build + training for that level, it's pretty hard to detect.

Though, if they are in the general range of slow build + training for that level, then they aren't ahead of the curve, by definition. Kinda tough one there.

Exactly why a player reset is the only way to restore people's faith in this game.

I'm not going to reset over 1 million players because of 10-20 who are outliers. VA points maybe, but not SP's.

Thank you for finally posting something on this.

Please refund my money, then.

6. FLEX POINTS

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You agreed to these terms when you purchased your flex, no refund, so stop whining.

We'll see how long that holds up.

No reason for refunds.

A bug was identified. A bug was fixed. The issue is being investigated. The biggest advantage it appears anyone got was to go from an "average" player to a well build slow build player. Is it fair? Hell no. It is worth resetting every player in the game? Hell no.

I disagree, multiple bugs and exploits (player attributes, VA points, possibly SA points) were identified. Any website that allows so much end user alterations (greasemonkey) is going to ultimately fail at security.

Add in the whole Test Server fiasco (test server: good idea; test server being used by select group of testers who also have players: bad idea)

I'm in the "scrap the game, refund 70% of flex, plug the holes, bring it back up out of beta" camp.

I'd like a total reset of everything and full Flex refund. I though season 1-3 were the funnest time I've had in this game and I'd love to go back to that.

The bugs were not related to Greasemonkey. They were a bug with IE6. Greasemonkey doesn't work with IE.

Also, bugs happen in programming (I'm a programmer, I know). The fact that the game doesn't have a full QA team will allow these bugs to slip into production.

And if you though season 1-3 were the best time of the game, then maybe the Casual leagues are best for you? The game is much more detailed now, and there's nothing wrong with preferring a simpler game.

Oh, and if everything was scrapped, there would still be bugs when it came back, most likely.

Greasemonkey really does nothing to the actual workings of the game from the program side.

It only changes the way things are displayed on the user's computer.

True, but in a poorly designed system, it could be used for more malicious things. Working around security, making private info public, etc. In VERY poorly designed systems, it could be used to exploit things.

Honestly, with the number of text boxes available in the game, I wonder how open the site is to SQL Injection. Very nasty stuff.

ONE word BETA

we all knew there was going to be bugs.

Originally posted by Hobo

ONE word BETA

we all knew there was going to be bugs.


Are you on the short list to be GLB's Next Top Moderator?

Just kidding, but really, we see enough of that in the public forums. I understand what Beta means, but that's really a cop out at this point. I know they keep making changes to the game which ensures it will never leave a beta state. Which at this point is just the aforementioned cop out when exploits and issues are discovered. I haven't heard any talk (outside of users) of having to forcibly retire players and begin anew, which is what would happen in the go-live portion of the rollout.

AirMcMVP, i'm in IT (although I avoided programming like the plague in college). When you say text boxes, are you speaking about all the blank ones at the bottom of pages in Firebug in FF?

I played Counter-strike for over 3 years...all in beta. This game effectively has a team of 1 coding it, I have been surprised by how few issues there actually has been.

Originally posted by Hobo

ONE word BETA

we all knew there was going to be bugs.


If its a true beta why the hell are we spending money on it? Its ridiculous sometimes. Look at it like this, when people spend money, they want to see a quality product. What we're seeing is an unfinished program, yet we're still spending money. When BETA is finished (If ever) we should (though I doubt it) get a 100% full flex refund (For flex purchased not given out). We are BETA Testers, we are whats making this game better by reporting bugs, etc. Nothing against Bort, He's busting ass on this game, but something needs to be done.

In that regard, Bort is a genius.

He threw a product out there and said, "Hey, this is Beta. You can play for free BUT I'm giving you the option to pay if you want."

We choose to pay. We're not forced, though player development is significantly stymied if you choose to not pay.

There will never be a 100% FP Refund. There will never be a wipe. Many more people would be outraged by a wipe than a lack of one.

The game needs a big overhaul. they need to fix the leagues, if your team falls above a certain player level avg you should be moved up if it falls below it should be moved down. while I like playing against the same teams every season, I would like it to be more competitive from top to bottom. Teams that all of the sudden dump their players and go slow build should all be put in one league. they should move them around each season, that would make the game more desirable for owners and players. all this crap about people only wanting to play in a certain league would be gone and owners would all have a better opportunity to recruit.

Grandfather players on to certain teams but if they let their contract expire high level players should not be allowed to be signed or traded into the lower leagues. There should be clear level caps for each team to sign new players and if an owner has his own players and wants to keep them on his team he can do that as long as he keeps their contracts signed and up to date.

To me, there is nothing worse than having the games that wind up 200+ to nothing. That is a major flaw in this game. there is usually a clear line in each league between the top 5-8 teams and the bottom. sometimes it is only 1-3 teams that are any good. if you cap each league recruiting becomes easier for owners, there is a set amount of players that are available. there should also be a set amount of players you can have on your team so some teams could not horde players.

They also need to make better things for older players so they stay in the game and don't retire. There is no incentive to keep a 40+ player in the game, there needs to be some special abilities obtained so guys stay around. I enjoy my team right now so I keep my higher level guy but my lower level guys are more fun to build and tinker with. They have a better chance at using the Superior EQ than my older play also since it costs less.

I guess I am in the boat of scrapping it and starting over, but I would give the agents a chance to make a decision. If you want to keep all of your players you can, if you want to scrap them all they give back 1/3 of the FP you spend on that player plus your total CE spend. this would be a one time offer. make the game better by fixing the leagues and evening out the teams each season and do away with the regions, just make it so 32 teams play against similar competition.

one other thing I would do, is make a league that has a draft. Players could enter the draft and then wind up on whatever team chooses them. There would be different levels of leagues as well. give all of the owners the same amount of money, same stadiums and make it a level playing field. have the players put in their requests as to how much $$ they want so some players may want a lot of money and you may not want to draft them. Put only a certain amount of players that can be drafted at each position and every team has to draft the same amount of players at each position so all guys that enter the draft get drafted and owners will still need to pay for upgrades and other things. trades could be made within the league and you could trade different positions so if you drafted 2 QBs you could trade a QB for a DE and neither team would be penalized for not having enough at either position.

just my 2 cents for making the game better

Originally posted by AirMcMVP


Originally posted by Lewk57


Equally valid and differing opinions.

God I love this game. And this country.

Originally posted by AirMcMVP
In that regard, Bort is a genius.

He threw a product out there and said, "Hey, this is Beta. You can play for free BUT I'm giving you the option to pay if you want."

We choose to pay. We're not forced, though player development is significantly stymied if you choose to not pay.

There will never be a 100% FP Refund. There will never be a wipe. Many more people would be outraged by a wipe than a lack of one.

100% FP Refund would be required, think about it, we're paying to test a game in beta stage. Now I would completely understand if it was'nt in beta, but it is. This game is buggy, not finished. Its like going to a car dealer and picking up a new hybrid car, paying 15 bucks to test drive it then run out of fuel/energy 3 miles away and being told its your responsibility to get it back to the lot, even though they never told you how far that hybrid car could go.