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Anybody see it happen, yet? I'll get some links later, but in our first scrimmage game today, my ROT with 82 str / 61 agi appeared by be reverse pancaked once or twice by a mediocre DE.

This could up the importance of strength on both sides of the line, especially in the run blocking/stopping game. Bull rushing may not work, but high str DEs might start beating up on low str OTs in the run game.

yeah it happened to my guy and team several times today. There was one play where the LDE was pancaked but me(ROT) and the TE were reversed pancaked at the same time, so all 3 of us were on the ground. I'm a 84 str/ 50 AGL+. You may be right. It seems that eventually the pendulum would swing back to STR again.

Not sure I see why str is important if guys with 84 str are still getting pancaked by DEs. :-D

Having looked at the replay of a scrimmage, it looks like reverse pancaking happens a lot more than actual pancaking. Way, way more. And I doubt it is a strength problem with the O-line.

Uh-oh.

Yeah, the programming is out of whack. The team I GM played a slightly stronger team today and our Oline got seriously handled. Decently built level 14s got squashed literally every 2 out of 3 pass plays by level 16s (shouldn't be that big of a deal..?) and many of those resulted in sacks despite the fact that as OC I kept both HB and TE back to block in every play. (didn't use any 5WR sets)


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=350964&pbp_id=473242
The following play shows that the same DE is obviously quite speed heavy:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=350964&pbp_id=473301

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
Yeah, the programming is out of whack. The team I GM played a slightly stronger team today and our Oline got seriously handled. Decently built level 14s got squashed literally every 2 out of 3 pass plays by level 16s (shouldn't be that big of a deal..?) and many of those resulted in sacks despite the fact that as OC I kept both HB and TE back to block in every play. (didn't use any 5WR sets)


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=350964&pbp_id=473242
The following play shows that the same DE is obviously quite speed heavy:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=350964&pbp_id=473301

Thatīs good to know. My 90 str 87 Blk LG got reverse pancaked by a DT who was on elusive rush most of the time (whilst not being able to pancake him once).

Edit: Oh - the DT I faced was built by the owner of the Santiago Benitos, so I imagine he is build really, really well. Maybe limiting him to 3 hurries, 1 sack and 1 TFL (reverse pancake) is not so bad after all. I would still be interested to see everyone elseīs thoughts to the new D-line O-line interaction though.

If this is going to happen to the point of being ridiculous then the code will be fixed, so I can worry less

is there a script that shows if your player got pancaked? or do you have to go through the replays?

if I did get pancaked today though, I held the DEs to 0 tackles 0 hurries.

Have to watch it. They stop moving, its pretty obv. So far my intuition is that these wont hurt pass blocking, but happen moreso when run blocking. The strength of the DE kicks in to reverse pancake you and get a tackle quicker.

Originally posted by Octowned
Have to watch it. They stop moving, its pretty obv. So far my intuition is that these wont hurt pass blocking, but happen moreso when run blocking. The strength of the DE kicks in to reverse pancake you and get a tackle quicker.

yeah most of the time it happened to us it was on a running play. and usually after the runner was past the LOS. For example on the outside runs it happened a lot. the DE would reverse pancake when the run was on his backside and then most of the time he was to far behind to catch up. there was a few times he did catch up, but there were other defenders around the play as well. so it seems to not have any effect on pass blocking.

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
Yeah, the programming is out of whack. The team I GM played a slightly stronger team today and our Oline got seriously handled. Decently built level 14s got squashed literally every 2 out of 3 pass plays by level 16s (shouldn't be that big of a deal..?) and many of those resulted in sacks despite the fact that as OC I kept both HB and TE back to block in every play. (didn't use any 5WR sets)


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=350964&pbp_id=473242
The following play shows that the same DE is obviously quite speed heavy:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=350964&pbp_id=473301

It was the TE that got pancaked by the RDE. That's always been able to happen. The ends use swim moves, etc., you can't see them, but they've always been able to pancake a blocker when pass rushing. Also your lvl 10 & 13 QBs don't help either, they hold the ball too long and take too long to release it.

Well, yeah.. We were testing our ability to pass long against a solid D... Scrimmage and all.
I don't at all contribute our loss (which I completely expected) to reverse pancakes, but they did seem to be very excessive all throughout that game.

Originally posted by Daddy Warbucks
Well, yeah.. We were testing our ability to pass long against a solid D... Scrimmage and all.
I don't at all contribute our loss (which I completely expected) to reverse pancakes, but they did seem to be very excessive all throughout that game.

yeah you're right. if you notice it mainly the TE it's happening to. our games have been the same way. we have 2 TEs. one has blk in the 50's and the other in the 20's. the one with low blk was the one getting pancaked the most.