Warrior General Games

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Strength: 76.88 (72.88) Blocking: 73.47 (73.47)
Speed: 13.07 (10.07) Tackling: 15.94
Agility: 48.09 Throwing: 8
Jumping: 8 Catching: 8
Stamina: 28.74 (22.74) Carrying: 9
Vision: 28.13 Kicking: 8
Confidence: 51.66 Punting: 8

SAs are all 0.


Just about finishing the build. Currently rotating training between spd/stam, spd/agi, and agi/vis. I plan to train speed to about 30, capping vis, and possibly taking agi to 60.

I'm currently contemplating finally spending some points in SAs, and am interested in the first 4, Pass Block/Strong Arm and Run Block/Get Low.

So here are the options I'm hoping to get some feedback on

1) Hold off on SAs, save the sp, and just cap vis as soon as possible
2) Hold off on SAs, save the sp and double cap agi as soon as possible.
3) Take Run Block and Pass block to 2, Strong Arm to 2, and Get Low to 4
4) Take Run Block to 5.
5) Run Block to 2, Get Low to 4.

any thoughts?


<edit> yes, I know my eq is messed up. I'm nearing completion, but I'm not there yet, so I'm fine with having my eq be less than maximum efficiency.</edit>

Nice. Good to see confidence past the cap and going up well with the levels.

The problem you have is that Speed, Agility, Vision, Stamina are all still trainable. I'd be tempted to train Agi/Vis for the rest of the season, which would then put you in position to take them to their next caps at the start of next season.

Spend the SAs if you want now, but if you are still looking at the future and will get max xp without them, saving them would be slightly better in the long run.

So, I vote a mixture of 1/2, with training Agi/Vis the rest of this season.

After that you need to work on training combinations that include speed! Spd/Stam would be excellent to do for the whole of next season. Edit: And the season after that also.

You've got a ways to go, really

You really plan on only 30 speed? If so, make sure the offense takes off all plays that you pull. And if not, you're a LG then? In which case, agi to 60 is pointless probably.

Cap vision
Take agility to 60
This means train speed + agility/stamina
Take speed to ~40 (no need to cap, eh?)


How far did you take str/blk? 68?


The above plan will net you 40 speed, 30+ stamina, 60 agi, 50 vis, by level 37.. yikes, that's late for SAs, you must have taken str/blk to 68 then.

Str/Blk and Conf will be fantastic by lvl 37 though. It's all swings and roundabouts.

One final thought: if you plan on taking Conf up to 60 ever now is the time to do it. This might be overkill though!

How do you feel about str/blk to 68 in general for a RG, either of you?

My slowbuild G is at 63/52 at level 11. By the time I get to 60/60, str will almost be there. As is, I can get to 60 blk at level 13 or 14. So my equivalent level 26 will have

strength: 73
blocking: 68

Also, confidence :-X. I wasn't even sure about capping it, let alone so early, despite the natural gains. How are the results?

do you plan to take the equip out of speed?

With 3 in speed, and 2 on first step, it is most likely paired with that advanced equip on purchase

Originally posted by Octowned
How do you feel about str/blk to 68 in general for a RG, either of you?

My slowbuild G is at 63/52 at level 11. By the time I get to 60/60, str will almost be there. As is, I can get to 60 blk at level 13 or 14. So my equivalent level 26 will have

strength: 73
blocking: 68

Also, confidence :-X. I wasn't even sure about capping it, let alone so early, despite the natural gains. How are the results?

addressing a few or your points in this thread.

Yeah, I did go all the way to 68/68. May not have been the right decision, but I've been performing reasonably well, so I don't regret it at all. I think it was between level 14 and 18 that I had str and block both over 60, but was still getting beat easily that I was doubting the build strategy, but since then, things have gotten better and I've been holding my own against much higher level competition since then.

I do currently play LG, but my team doesn't have a real RG anyway, so I'm probably going to move there. I haven't looked recently since the new plays got added, but most pulling plays were broken in the past, and I'm pretty sure we don't use them anymore. (I'm currently the highest speed G on our team, so it's generally a bad idea for us to pull anyway). I want to get up to 30 spd because I want to pickup the blitz, not really so that I can pull.

I'm not entirely sure how to interpret my performance as it relates to confidence. I trained up confidence, stamina, vision, and agility round robin for a bit, and then focused on confidence for a bit. Once they introduced the new training last season, I ended up training stam/conf on intense. I improved a decent amount, what caused it: stam from 17->25 or confidence from 25->48. I'm not entirely sure I needed confidence to go all the way to the cap. But since nobody seems to do it, and it's natural gains are so high, I just decided to go through with it. I don't regret the decision, but I'm also not 100% convinced it's correct. I'm currently building 2 Cs out where both raced to 68/68 str/blk, but one is working to cap conf while the other is working to cap agi. Maybe they will help me figure something out.

Hrm, and as for 68/68 for a RG, i'm not sure. I basically set out to maximize my gains in a way that seemed reasonable. I may have spent too many sp on it, but since I'm not super sold on the run SA tree beyond run block/get low, I don't mind having fewer points left to spend on that tree.

Mandyross: thanks for the input. Since I'm already lvl 26 and secondary stats have low natural gains anyway, I'm not in a super hurry to cap my side stats. I was considering a plan where I save the points and just cycle through spd/agi, agi/vis, spd/stam training until the end of next season and just seeing where I am at. Also, I went slightly against the grain by capping confidence early, but I'm not sure how willing I am to push it further. heh.

iMan: yes. I plan on taking eq out of both speed and stamina when they have been trained enough.

Originally posted by Octowned
With 3 in speed, and 2 on first step, it is most likely paired with that advanced equip on purchase

haha, that'd be a hot eq. it's actually just me messing around while I'm still building.

Eh, I already regret doing agility + vision after finishing my str/blk training. The reason is that confidence is already over 20, and soon it'll be untrainable! It's good you got that training done early.

Food for thought: never training confidence will get it to 40 by your mid 30s. If you just train it for a while when its in the teens, it'll cap itself which is probably ample.

I think I may go to confidence, despite not wanting to cap it, just to extract the training value.

I can't decide what is more valuable, early caps or more training. So far, all my slowbuilds have been the "cap ASAP" strategy, and it seems you went a far different route than I did. We'll see how I end up around 26. The difference is, I wont be balanced at all for quite some time.

I'll be very curious about that confidence build C. I think it'd be hard to tell for a C though, because they're so hard to judge... and don't really need much to do well.



If you're going RG that doesn't need to pull, I'd train speed + stamina, cap vision, and just sit on your SP for quite some time. I fully agree on run block / get low being the only worthwhile SAs on the bottom. I'm sold on get low, actually, especially at ROT. Be careful with get low, though, I think it only works against low-medium strength, so maybe let somebody else experiment with high get low at the guard position.

Originally posted by Melancholy
Originally posted by Octowned

With 3 in speed, and 2 on first step, it is most likely paired with that advanced equip on purchase

haha, that'd be a hot eq. it's actually just me messing around while I'm still building.

Hah, I assumed you'd upgraded it a few times from +3 spd +1 first step (thus your strength equip) then I noticed you couldn't have +4 strength and only +2 on the SA.

I took a +3 strength +1 pancake equip for my ROT, and really am starting to despise this darn pancake thing, it is worthless. Might start looking for a "get low" and hope it pairs with something nice.

Originally posted by Octowned
How do you feel about str/blk to 68 in general for a RG, either of you?

My slowbuild G is at 63/52 at level 11. By the time I get to 60/60, str will almost be there. As is, I can get to 60 blk at level 13 or 14. So my equivalent level 26 will have

strength: 73
blocking: 68

Also, confidence :-X. I wasn't even sure about capping it, let alone so early, despite the natural gains. How are the results?

I was a little naive with my build and put in a load of SAs before I had a proper think, and have been recovering it from there. I had str at 68 at lvl 26, and blocking only made it a few lvls later. They are at 72 now, both of them. When Melanchony's player is at lvl 39 it will have 5-6 more str/blk than mine, that's how badly I screwed up. Live and learn though.

With your lvl 11 G, you could always partially spend up to the 68 cap, and let the rest come from level gains. That would free up some SPs for other causes. A few points spent in Blocking at the 3:1 range would speed up the process and should not be ignored though.

I capped confidence at lvl 33 or so, and it is now at 52 just from the gains. I like seeing it gain in the 2:1 range and have no regrets doing this. My only regret is that I didn't do it much sooner instead of spending on the SAs as it'd be around 60 now. As for what confidence gives - unsure, but since I raised it I haven't had any nightmare games. I imagine it is a performance modifier in the same way as stamina, and interactions between linesmen change their morale on a play-by-play basis. Could be wrong though.