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People always say it is, and I see the attribute high in lots of peoples build, but why?
 
dsin420
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if he's confident in himself he palys a better game i'd think
 
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I don't believe it's very important for any position other than RB and QB, based on what I've seen. If it was ridiculously low, like 12 or 15 for a level 30 I could see having some problems, but I haven't actually seen that happen. Would be interesting to hear if anybody has any real quantitative experience with confidence on linemen.
 
Warlock
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Confidence is important for OT. Just like a QB or RB, but instead of throwing an INT or fumbling, the OT plays worse after getting beat for a sack. If a DE beats an OT with low confidence, expect a monster game in terms of sacks/hurries.

That being said, it doesn't need to be super high. More like a "it shouldn't be super low" type of thing. It could be possible that interior lineman also need confidence as well, because they can give up sacks too. Plus I think the overall OL unit might be linked somewhat, if some start playing bad, it can lead to them all playing bad... don't quote me on that though.
 
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Thing is, you only have so many points to go around. If you take the SP to softcap confidence, your agility and speed will suffer. If you put points there you will lack in str and blocking. Unfortunately a DE only needs speed, strength, and agility. An OT needs equal amounts plus somewhat in blocking and confidence, and you need a certain amount of vision to be able to handle the blitz. It's hard to say what a good number is. If you have only 50 agility but have 50 confidence, you'll get beat like a rag doll anyway. If you have 60 agility and 30 confidence, you'll still get beaten all day. So it hardly even seems to matter.
 
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Originally posted by Darren McFadden
Thing is, you only have so many points to go around. If you take the SP to softcap confidence, your agility and speed will suffer. If you put points there you will lack in str and blocking. Unfortunately a DE only needs speed, strength, and agility. An OT needs equal amounts plus somewhat in blocking and confidence, and you need a certain amount of vision to be able to handle the blitz. It's hard to say what a good number is. If you have only 50 agility but have 50 confidence, you'll get beat like a rag doll anyway. If you have 60 agility and 30 confidence, you'll still get beaten all day. So it hardly even seems to matter.


Well the problem is even further compounded by the fact that many DE ignore strength completely, giving them only really two attributes to work on (three if they do high vision to kick in tunnel vision sooner). OT on the other hand have 4-5 attributes that they have to work on. They don't have the luxury of high agility off-setting the penalty of having no strength either.

I think that Bort will eventually make the proper adjustments though.

 
Underdawg08
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Confidence is calculated in the equation to see if a lineman can shed or get around your block. Not only does it help you prevent sack after sack, it also plays a key role in stopping the first one.
 
Billy Corman
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30 is the minimum for a playoff player. So many upsets happen in the playoffs because the "better" team doesn't have enough CONFIDENCE. Its happens a lot.
 
Air18
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It also helps with preventing penalties like holding and false start.
 
britdevine316
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If you ever put a SP into you wasted that SP.

However training it isn't a bad idea.
 
Bagger Vance
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Is soft capping confidence a bad idea?

I am thinking about just training speed/agility, then having stamina, vision, and confidence all soft capped....but would it be a better idea to put SP's into strength/blocking rather than confidence?

Currently the confidence for my center is at 37.
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Rage Kinard
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Alot of Gs have high confidence because for some reason it was made a primary stat and Gs get .67 points per level up to 22 then .5 after that. I have a level 34 G with 40 confidence and I have never put a single point into it. I rolled him with 20 confidence to start. Of course that was when you could roll 7s though.
 
Underdawg08
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Originally posted by Bagger Vance
Is soft capping confidence a bad idea?

I am thinking about just training speed/agility, then having stamina, vision, and confidence all soft capped....but would it be a better idea to put SP's into strength/blocking rather than confidence?

Currently the confidence for my center is at 37.


Centers just need str, really. guards and tackles need the other stuff to a certain degree. But it probably wouldn't hurt one bit to cap those three, at all. it will probably send your blocking bar way up.
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mandyross
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Confidence is calculated in the equation to see if a lineman can shed or get around your block. Not only does it help you prevent sack after sack, it also plays a key role in stopping the first one.


I'm with this guy.
 
Octowned
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Well, what's a good number do you think?

My OT is at 30, and only gave up 2 sacks in the regular season. But in the championship game he got demolished for a lot of sacks/hurries.

There are *no* good confidence training options, so I'd have to spend points on it really...

3 more strength/blocking?
5 more agility?
9 more confidence?

Or something stupid like +1 str, +2 agi, +3 conf


What do you think would help performance the most?
 
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