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Originally posted by JocularFX
Originally posted by Ilok

Originally posted by JocularFX


Originally posted by Ilok



Originally posted by JocularFX




i still think speed is overrated and confidence underrated

it all depends on build. confidence plays a huge role in a game manager build, and not so much of one in field general. I don't know how I overrated speed here.

speed should stay with kicking and punting until you soft capped throwing vision strength confidence and agility IMO but yeah, i won't touch my speed in GLB ever... ever...

Will you agree there is more than one way to build a QB? I know of 2 QBs in the top ten passing stats in the USA pro league that have 40+ speed and the better of the one has it soft capped. They both say speed plays a large part in their success, especially against the insane pass rushers.

okay i agree with you that there are more than 1 way to build a QB. You win there, but the fact that you need speed to throw a fricken ball haha

I'll quote the part I put down for speed

"Speed: Basically how fast your quarterback can run. Has no effect on how a quarterback throws, but does affect your quarterback when he is outside of the pocket."

Where did I say anything remotely close to needing speed to throw the ball? Speed has absolutely no effect on throwing the ball, but it does have a major effect on scrambling for first downs. Like I said agility plays a more important role in scrambling and pass avoidance, but there are plenty of QBs that attribute part of their success with their QBs to their ability to scramble for a first down instead of throw into tight coverage. Jeff Garcia is one that I know has pride in his ability to scramble for first downs, and I have absolutely no idea of his build, but I promise you he has trained speed.

llok, there is always going to be someone who will pick this apart. You have done a great job on this! This guide has much more in depth information than the original QB guide and will help many people build a better QB.

I'm just clearing up some parts when people put something in the guide to question. It was made to clear up some misinformation and I don't want misinformed information basically holding water in the discussion because no one cleared it up. It's an evolving guide. When someone post something that actually has insight and could be used to clarify or add to the guide, I will update it to the guide. If it is just more misinformation or just someones opinion that is based solely on their own build, I want to address it in the discussion. The last post basically clarifies where and to what extent speed has in a QB's build.

I'm hoping at sometime a constructive discussion happens with someone disagreeing with some of the points and putting facts in to support it. The guide will get better that way. I've gotten a few more things through PMs that I want to add into the guide, but I want to wait a few weeks to get more input before making any major revisions.

i know you didn't say you need speed to throw a ball, but all i'm trying to say is why is confidence underrated and speed overrated. confidence is needed no matter what. you don't really need speed.

Originally posted by JocularFX
i know you didn't say you need speed to throw a ball, but all i'm trying to say is why is confidence underrated and speed overrated. confidence is needed no matter what. you don't really need speed.

How is confidence underrated? Have you actually bothered to read the guide?

Originally posted by llok
Confidence: By far the most important secondary attribute.

Originally posted by Viscount
Originally posted by JocularFX

i know you didn't say you need speed to throw a ball, but all i'm trying to say is why is confidence underrated and speed overrated. confidence is needed no matter what. you don't really need speed.

How is confidence underrated? Have you actually bothered to read the guide?

Originally posted by llok

Confidence: By far the most important secondary attribute.


Perhaps he feels it should be a primary?

Originally posted by corvax

Perhaps he feels it should be a primary?

bingo

I said in certain builds it does become a primary attribute. The only reason I don't think it's a primary attribute is because in perfect circumstances it has absolutely no effect on passing, where as vision throwing and strength still does.

Originally posted by Ilok
I said in certain builds it does become a primary attribute. The only reason I don't think it's a primary attribute is because in perfect circumstances it has absolutely no effect on passing, where as vision throwing and strength still does.

I don't think this statement is true. Has Bort said this? I find it hard to believe Confidence isn't part of the equation / algorithm used on every pass.

When Bort addressed confidence, he said it used to prevent moral drop during the game. I still think it plays a big part in what a QB does while getting hurried. The reason I say it has no effect on a perfect situation is I've seen plenty of low level QBs this season have extraordinary season without ever training or putting a SP in confidence. There is also a QB in the USA pro league that is having a monster year, high TDs low interceptions, with confidence in the 30s.

Bort will never say what the equation is, I'm just going off what trends I've seen.

Originally posted by Ilok
When Bort addressed confidence, he said it used to prevent moral drop during the game. I still think it plays a big part in what a QB does while getting hurried. The reason I say it has no effect on a perfect situation is I've seen plenty of low level QBs this season have extraordinary season without ever training or putting a SP in confidence. There is also a QB in the USA pro league that is having a monster year, high TDs low interceptions, with confidence in the 30s.

Bort will never say what the equation is, I'm just going off what trends I've seen.

Gotcha.

I did see a post by Bort saying something along the lines that when he looks at player builds in GLB, he is surprised to see how many people don't spend points in building their players confidence up. Then he went on to say that confidence can really help your QB and gave a few examples...

I will try to find the post from Bort and link it here.

But I also remember Bort saying that confidence can also play into a QB 'thinking' he can squeeze a pass into tight coverage. This is indeed one of the things that concerned me or turned me off about spending a a lot of points in confidence. I don't want my QB throwing into double coverage because he thinks he can get it to the WR without being INT. I would rather my QB check down or take another read before forcing the issue due to high confidence - which is where Vision plays an important role.

http://www.glbwiki.com/index.php?title=Player_Attributes
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Confidence
Just throw 3 interceptions in a row? Missed a tackle? It doesn't matter if you have enough confidence to dust yourself off and keep going. Helps your player's will bend but not break.

By: Digital Daggers


Still looking for Borts comments on confidence.

Originally posted by Ilok
I said in certain builds it does become a primary attribute. The only reason I don't think it's a primary attribute is because in perfect circumstances it has absolutely no effect on passing, where as vision throwing and strength still does.

You can have the best talent in the world, but still have a roid rage QB who throws 1 pick, and does bad the rest of the game.

Good guide. 1 small thing though. I seem to remember bort posting awhile back that agility has a minor effect on throwing/kicking accuracy...

Thoughts?

Originally posted by WiSeIVIaN
Good guide. 1 small thing though. I seem to remember bort posting awhile back that agility has a minor effect on throwing/kicking accuracy...

Thoughts?

train it because it's useful anyway.