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Sarg01
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Zeta Conference Rankings - Week 5

Reference level is 32! Maximum margin of victory is 64 points.

Roster Assessment = 75% levels, 25% stats
Overall Assessment = 65% roster, 20% adjusted vs. expected margin-of-victory, 15% record


1. Tonga Thunderbirds (109.7) - Tonga has been able to parlay late boost each season into a level advantage at most positions. It is worth noting that the 3 1-loss teams in Zeta all got those losses from the as-yet-undefeated Thunderbirds. They get similarly undefeated Mauna Kea today, but should have little trouble proving why rankings have to be based on more than record if they don't want to wait until week 13+ to be accurate.

2. Christchurch Knightmares (108.9) - It's never safe to count them out and they offset a lot of Tonga's advantage through high statistics thanks to getting both gutted teams right off the bat. Their strength has always been in over-performing their raw talent and they'll certainly be in title contention. The Redscape and Coney games should prove little more than a speed bump to this squad en route to a big Fuego showdown.

3. El Fuego (95.8) - A new high for the Fuegans, who have been quite solid but ran into the Tongan buzzsaw week 1. They can't relax though, because the next 5 weeks will either lock them up a home playoff spot, or lock them out of one (Alchemy, Knightmares, Bandits, Horsemen). They have all the pieces needed to go 4-1 and possibly even 5-0 over that stretch, but none of those teams plan on making things easy for them.

4. Dunedin Wolverines (92.4) - As unhappy as they are to be 2-2, they'll need to bring everything they have against their ranking neighbor, the Four Horsemen if they want to avoid 2-3. The season is far from over, but that kind of start would crush their title chances and put a serious dent in the home-field race, especially as it means giving up the tiebreak to the Horsemen.

5. Four Horsemen (87.9) - Huge game this week before the bye, then they get Solomon Islands. Important time for the Horsemen to show people what they are made of.

6. Solomon Island Alchemy (87.4) - The thin sliver of ranking difference should make the Horsemen game in 2 weeks something special. In the meantime, they need to do their best to knock off El Fuego and turn back the Bandit hordes.

7. Mauna Kea Chenabogs (87.1) - Well, is this a first or what? While Mauna Kea's wins haven't been by impressive margins, they still edged three teams that hope to contend for those lower playoff spots, and that has them sitting pretty, absent a collapse of some kind. Next week against Uluru they can practically lock it up by securing yet another tiebreak.

8. Chinese Bandits (87.0) - A high-quality win over Dunedin and roughly expected performance in the other games should mean that we're in good position to see the Bandits repeat their annual dive to miss the playoffs, despite easily having the talent for a spot. OK, just kidding, folks. Maybe.

9. Coney Island Warriors (85.5) - The Chenabogs loss hurts, but otherwise they still have lots of tiebreaker games to get them back into the top 8. No idea what happened Week 1, though.

10. Cimmerian Barbarians (78.9) - After a playoff visit last season, the Barbarians have come out ice-cold, complete with embarassment last week at the hands of the Knightmares. Fortunately, only the loss to the Chenabogs is likely to matter in the long term, so they have plenty of chance to turn things around.

11. Redscape Diplomats (78.1) - I don't know what you guys did to the schedule gods to make them so determined to kill your morale each season before you play all your really important games, but you better be getting some voodoo to fix it somehow. Alchemy, Knightmares, Bandits, Fuego, Horsemen looks a lot like an 0-5 stretch (they've already dropped the first of those) and then you get Mauna Kea shortly afterwards, who might normally be beatable, but probably not after you've lost 20 morale points. Sorry, guys.

12. Uluru Rockies (75.9) - A nice win over rival Redscape, followed up by 3 pretty substantial disappointments leave Uluru fairly low in the rankings for now. At least they get the Sand Gnats to cheer them up.

13. Tasmanian Devils (71.2) - I'm not sure what to think of this team. They seem to play a bunch of close losses to teams that theoretically outclass them, which suggests they have good plans and builds - and then the Sand Gnats give 'em all they can handle. I'm not ready to say they can't be a playoff team yet, but I need more evidence either way.

14. Tasmania Sand Gnats (70.0) - Well, with Brisbane and Los Cabolo around, there's always next season. Getting edged by the Devils hurts bad, and unless Redscape's morale drops too low, the two gutted teams may be their best shot.

The Los Cabolo Sharks and Brisbane Brown Bears are unranked due to incomplete rosters.
 
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Originally posted by Sarg01

8. Chinese Bandits (87.0) - A high-quality win over Dunedin and roughly expected performance in the other games should mean that we're in good position to see the Bandits repeat their annual dive to miss the playoffs, despite easily having the talent for a spot. OK, just kidding, folks. Maybe.


Ouch. That's harsh.
 
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Man, this must be what a nicotine addiction feels like, because I was getting the shakes until I saw these again!

Sarg, thanks for all the work you do on this. Always a fun read! And interesting to see how each teams are doing on their trail as they go down the road! And I hope we can keep our #1 ranking; we shall see here in the next several weeks!

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The fellow above me was right. Harsh, but somewhat truthful.

Makes for an interesting read, nonetheless. Personally, I'd love to see the Chinese make it this year. I think they're going to jump over the hump this year, and perhaps even contend for a home playoff game. Perhaps the Chinese will be able to look back on this in a few weeks and laugh!
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so at the #8 spot, you giving us a playoff spot? I'LL TAKE IT!!!!
 
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Tonga and Christchurch are both scary. I don't know which I actually consider the Zeta favorite this year but I have been positive since the preseason it's one of the two.

 
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Originally posted by Brian the Stunt Bum
Tonga and Christchurch are both scary. I don't know which I actually consider the Zeta favorite this year but I have been positive since the preseason it's one of the two.



The raw scores agree with you. My rule of thumb:

20+ points difference - The only question is whether the leading team wants to play their backups and win by "only" 3 scores.
15-20 points - Could maybe get close for a part of the game with some luck on the turnovers, but can't really stack up. Upset of the season territory.
10-15 points - Only minimally competitive. Major upset territory.
5-10 points - Competitive. The higher ranked team is a signficant favorite, but the lower ranked one can turn it into a scrap with the right gameplan.
2-5 points - The higher ranked team is a slight favorite.
0-2 points - Flip a coin, bud.
 
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Originally posted by beouf
so at the #8 spot, you giving us a playoff spot? I'LL TAKE IT!!!!


I certainly wouldn't put money against you making the playoffs at this point. Beating Dunedin was a pretty big statement. You have a week 16 game in which you're likely to be the favorite.

Your key games really start this week vs. the Alchemy. You only need to go 2-3 over the next 5 weeks to come really close to locking up a spot.
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i have to admit, i'll be disappointed with a 2-3 stretch. but that being said, i was disappointed last year at that point in the season as well. so that is why they play the game!
 
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Originally posted by Brian the Stunt Bum
Tonga and Christchurch are both scary. I don't know which I actually consider the Zeta favorite this year but I have been positive since the preseason it's one of the two.



Appreciate the props but I think Tonga gets the lean in this realm.
 
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Interestingly, the internals have Christchurch with a narrow lead, but some of that may have been the stats from the gutted games. The cool thing about the formulas is the expected margin keeps a team from "double-dipping" by getting both beaucoup stats and a bunch of margin of victory points. Teams as strong as Tonga and Christchurch get pretty much the minimum for the game no matter how badly they beat those teams by, because honestly, who cares after 64?

 
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Full internals:

Overall Team Name Pass Off Rush Off Pass Def Rush Def Spec
95.7 Christchurch 98 98 106 97 70
94.3 Tonga 96 96 97 99 76
84.4 Dunedin 90 89 88 88 59
84.4 Fuego 90 86 89 91 56
79.2 Solomon 89 74 84 89 51
78.3 Coney 89 84 76 82 51
78.0 Chinese 78 72 91 92 45
75.3 Horsemen 82 74 89 79 38
75.1 Redscape 77 73 81 78 62
72.4 Uluru 76 67 80 71 66
71.9 Mauna 91 72 78 69 38
70.0 Tasmania 74 75 78 70 43
69.9 Cimmeria 74 79 81 63 44
58.0 Devils 60 60 64 63 35
44.2 Cabolo 47 47 49 45 28
37.3 Brisbane 40 46 42 37 12

Remember, 100.0 roster score is the expected result from a team with 100% level 32 starters of "average" builds.
 
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Hey, this is interesting stuff, thanks.

The forum for the league we were promoted from was NOTHING like this one... you guys actually talk about the game 95% of the time.

Also it's interesting that the Alchemy is a reasonably competitive middle-of-the-pack contenderish-type team, even though we just got promoted from an initially capped league... it's a testament to KevinM, I guess (not to blow smoke up his ass or anything).
 
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Originally posted by Stubbs
Originally posted by Brian the Stunt Bum

Tonga and Christchurch are both scary. I don't know which I actually consider the Zeta favorite this year but I have been positive since the preseason it's one of the two.



Appreciate the props but I think Tonga gets the lean in this realm.


Man, do I hope so. There are a few teams in here that I'll be biting my nails over if I see them in the playoffs. I'd be just about inconsolable if we miss out on the Zeta championship this year. Especially as close as we came last year to upsetting BAMC in Round 2. Still a long, long way to go, though, and several strong teams to play. Including you all in Week 16, now!

Originally posted by Sarg01
Originally posted by Brian the Stunt Bum

Tonga and Christchurch are both scary. I don't know which I actually consider the Zeta favorite this year but I have been positive since the preseason it's one of the two.



The raw scores agree with you. My rule of thumb:

20+ points difference - The only question is whether the leading team wants to play their backups and win by "only" 3 scores.
15-20 points - Could maybe get close for a part of the game with some luck on the turnovers, but can't really stack up. Upset of the season territory.
10-15 points - Only minimally competitive. Major upset territory.
5-10 points - Competitive. The higher ranked team is a signficant favorite, but the lower ranked one can turn it into a scrap with the right gameplan.
2-5 points - The higher ranked team is a slight favorite.
0-2 points - Flip a coin, bud.


This is very interesting, as I've always wondered what the rationale was behind this formula and how it can predict games. Great stuff, Sarg!
 
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Originally posted by gohlkus
Hey, this is interesting stuff, thanks.

The forum for the league we were promoted from was NOTHING like this one... you guys actually talk about the game 95% of the time.

Also it's interesting that the Alchemy is a reasonably competitive middle-of-the-pack contenderish-type team, even though we just got promoted from an initially capped league... it's a testament to KevinM, I guess (not to blow smoke up his ass or anything).


Yes definitely have shown competitiveness. These gutted teams though are a first for us. We havent really seen anything this bad since we all began as expansions in this conference. We have had some strong team histories here and some rivalry battles especially w/ Tonga, ourselves, El Fuego, Horsemen, etc.
 
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Originally posted by gohlkus
Hey, this is interesting stuff, thanks.

The forum for the league we were promoted from was NOTHING like this one... you guys actually talk about the game 95% of the time.

Also it's interesting that the Alchemy is a reasonably competitive middle-of-the-pack contenderish-type team, even though we just got promoted from an initially capped league... it's a testament to KevinM, I guess (not to blow smoke up his ass or anything).


The job is only half-done, man. This offseason will be the real challenge- it's not all that hard to recruit for a league champion, especially when half your agents have great players coming to FA!
 
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