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Originally posted by dredgar
This season bort told us there would be more, so no reason to freak over it..

But overall Mt teams drops are down compared to the fact we have a lot more attempts now.


he did say not including this year's stats, they've been up for a few seasons.
 
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Each season we have had up changes in passing, that always means some things like drops can increase.

Also most teams are passing more now compared to what they used to. More passes will always equal more drops.

It is very very very basic statistics.
 
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Originally posted by dredgar
Each season we have had up changes in passing, that always means some things like drops can increase.

Also most teams are passing more now compared to what they used to. More passes will always equal more drops.

It is very very very basic statistics.


higher passing numbers don't cause a higher drop % - very basic statistics.
 
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By simply having more attempts you now have more chances for drops. You are also still on this dumb kick of you are getting a drop percentage based on catches to drops and that is not how the stat is taken in football. So you are flawed right out the gate.

Its drops per attempt. It has been calculated by all levels of football that way for a long time.The more chances you have to catch the ball also means the more chances you have to drop the ball.


There is no problem here just a mental block by you.
 
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Originally posted by dredgar
By simply having more attempts you now have more chances for drops. You are also still on this dumb kick of you are getting a drop percentage based on catches to drops and that is not how the stat is taken in football. So you are flawed right out the gate.

Its drops per attempt. It has been calculated by all levels of football that way for a long time.The more chances you have to catch the ball also means the more chances you have to drop the ball.


There is no problem here just a mental block by you.


We also looked at by targets, your reply was to Ace doing just that. Do it by targets, the numbers are still high in comparison, the ONLY reason I was trying to avoid doing it that way is that QB accuracy and completion rates in the NFL are much higher than here, which would lead to an inflated number of targets compared to actual drop opportunities, but even going by targets we're still seeing 5-10% on a very, very large number of players which is, again, right up on for the worst rates in football at any level.


And no, more attempts does not equate to a higher drop RATE that's why it's a rate and not a total.
Edited by Raid on Mar 5, 2023 13:18:22
Edited by Raid on Mar 5, 2023 13:16:35
 
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I agree with Raid on drop percentage. It should be a rate at how many passes were “on target”, not passes attempted.

If a QB throws 100 passes and 98 go 10 feet over the receivers head and 2 hit him in the hands and he catches 1 and drops 1, the drop rate should be 50%, not 99%. The receiver had no control over 98 of those passes.

So, in this game, we can calculate the “on targets” total by
- catches
- drops
- didn’t catch due to nearby defense (this is not a drop)

Drops / on targets total = drop rate
 
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Originally posted by Cybertron
I agree with Raid on drop percentage. It should be a rate at how many passes were “on target”, not passes attempted.

If a QB throws 100 passes and 98 go 10 feet over the receivers head and 2 hit him in the hands and he catches 1 and drops 1, the drop rate should be 50%, not 99%. The receiver had no control over 98 of those passes.

So, in this game, we can calculate the “on targets” total by
- catches
- drops
- didn’t catch due to nearby defense (this is not a drop)

Drops / on targets total = drop rate


That's one thing too - literally one of the most common times a WR or TE drops a pass is when they are worried about a defender near them - but that worry is enough for it to be an incomplete instead of a drop here... yet drops are much more common here.
Edited by Raid on Mar 5, 2023 15:15:24
 
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There's something off with passing in general imo. Sperry's been focused on diving since bringing up the drop issue, and it's increased the catch rate.

I say something is off because his players aren't even diving, they're jumping for the ball. I've been (and still am) on vacation, but I can see 10% increases in my QBs completions the last couple of contests.

Honestly, we'll probably have to just keep playing around. In terms of longevity, I'm not sure passing is really the way to go. We've been beneficiaries so far, but a decent defense will have you pulling out your.

It just lacks the same creativity as the run, and that's fine at this point tbh. Just watched our game against Dallas, and HBs can put the team on their back whenever they want. If they rework passing, we'll probably start foaming at the mouth when we have to play defense.
 
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