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I keep seeing LBs with like 65-70 Tackle Tech and 90-100 Power Tackling using Monster Hit.

Is there a cap on the power gained from the SA, though? Can a defender effectively get above 100 on Power Tackling?

Setting aside what happens when the tackle is missed (and slowing down the runner), wouldn't it make more sense to have 85 Tech and 75-80 Power Tackling--so that the penalty to technique on Monster Hit would still keep it at 80/90-95 (instead of 65/100)?

Originally posted by Oofty
I keep seeing LBs with like 65-70 Tackle Tech and 90-100 Power Tackling using Monster Hit.

Is there a cap on the power gained from the SA, though? Can a defender effectively get above 100 on Power Tackling?

Setting aside what happens when the tackle is missed (and slowing down the runner), wouldn't it make more sense to have 85 Tech and 75-80 Power Tackling--so that the penalty to technique on Monster Hit would still keep it at 80/90-95 (instead of 65/100)?

i think before they said 100 isnt a overall cap just more of a base cap. So the SA I think will add to it

Originally posted by vipermaw82
i think before they said 100 isnt a overall cap just more of a base cap. So the SA I think will add to it


This...and I am firm believer in power tackle at 90+ with Monster Hit. My defense is built around it...(well, not all my defenders will have 90+ power tackle). Sure you will have a few missed tackles, but you make up for them in knock loose and forced fumbles.

Originally posted by Cybertron
This...and I am firm believer in power tackle at 90+ with Monster Hit. My defense is built around it...(well, not all my defenders will have 90+ power tackle). Sure you will have a few missed tackles, but you make up for them in knock loose and forced fumbles.

A few questions:

With that many SP tied up, how do you ensure (a) the LB is fast enough to get in on a lot of tackles, (b) that quickness and balance are high enough to routinely ensure the prereqs for Monster Hit go off (ie at least 50% speed, esp when weaving around blockers, (c) that elusive backs like Kentucky's don't shred you for lack of Pursuit?

From what I have noticed on here most people don't go very high on Tech. I see it mostly in the 50-70 range.

I think Vader fits what you are looking for.

Originally posted by Oofty
A few questions:

Okie Dokie

Originally posted by Oofty

With that many SP tied up, how do you ensure (a) the LB is fast enough to get in on a lot of tackles,

Vader plays zone...middle of the field. He doesn't have to go sideline to sideline so he doesn't have very high sprinting for a S* LB. He has to be quick with good footwork and a powerful tackler. He has very high pursuit so he can quickly get to the ball carrier and take good angles. Silver Closing Speed helps counter his normal sprinting.

Originally posted by Oofty
(b) that quickness and balance are high enough to routinely ensure the prereqs for Monster Hit go off (ie at least 50% speed, esp when weaving around blockers,

Well, he doesn't have very high end speed and has a lot of quickness (as with pretty much all our defenders except safeties), so he can reach 50% max speed pretty easily.

Originally posted by Oofty
(c) that elusive backs like Kentucky's don't shred you for lack of Pursuit?
Vader and our safeties max pursuit. Vader has 90+ pursuit.

Originally posted by Cybertron

Vader and our safeties max pursuit. Vader has 90+ pursuit.


Would Resolute be worth it for a zone MLB, seeing as the dot would see both jukes and head fakes?

Originally posted by Oofty
Would Resolute be worth it for a zone MLB, seeing as the dot would see both jukes and head fakes?

Not worth it. Too many other SAs are needed on a middle LB. Closing Speed, Monster Hit, Shed Block, EOTP, Brick Wall, etc...

Originally posted by Oofty
Would Resolute be worth it for a zone MLB, seeing as the dot would see both jukes and head fakes?

Head fakes don't work on zone unless I'm mistaken, but it would definitely help with elusives and pump fakes. I think this is actually a fine choice, especially if your toughness is already high from taking Brick Wall. Then again, it could be a waste if your pursuit and awareness are too high (since you won't often be under the effects of a fake).

Originally posted by Cybertron
Not worth it. Too many other SAs are needed on a middle LB. Closing Speed, Monster Hit, Shed Block, EOTP, Brick Wall, etc...

Surefooted and cover expert (procs a ton in man coverage since you shadow the HB) are also great, depending on what you're trying to do. MLB is just a great example of a healthy SA ecosystem. Every time you pick an ability, there is genuine conflict from not being able to pick the others, but never to the point where you're at a disadvantage for playing to your own style.

Originally posted by Kvothe27
Head fakes don't work on zone unless I'm mistaken, but it would definitely help with elusives and pump fakes. I think this is actually a fine choice, especially if your toughness is already high from taking Brick Wall. Then again, it could be a waste if your pursuit and awareness are too high (since you won't often be under the effects of a fake).

Yeah...it just depends on how you build your LBs.

Originally posted by Kvothe27
Surefooted

Sure footed is another awesome SA. Unfortunately Vader can’t get anymore SAs. He isn’t giving up EOTP, Closing Speed, Shed Block or Monster Hit.

Originally posted by Cybertron
Sure footed is another awesome SA. Unfortunately Vader can’t get anymore SAs. He isn’t giving up EOTP, Closing Speed, Shed Block or Monster Hit.

If Sprinting, Balance, Pursuit were high enough, could he get away with nixing Shed Block altogether?

Originally posted by Oofty
If Sprinting, Balance, Pursuit were high enough, could he get away with nixing Shed Block altogether?

Of course. But it depends on your scheme. The key is to maximize builds for the plays you call.

For example, last season LogZilla gave up only 3.1 yards per rush. Inside was 2.7; Off Tackle 3.3; Outside 3.2.

Neither of my LBs any have Shed Block. They both have Pursuit and Closing Speed. I play a 5-2 (now) so my DEs are my Outside LBs. They have Shed Block.

My S* LOLB made 143 tackles last season; 106 against the run.
My S* MLB made 112 tackles last season; 76 against the run.