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I'm pretty sure i saw when they first announced it that running adds to the effect of PA. My suggestion is do what the old College football games did... make you utilize the run linked to that PA to even be remotely effective... watching pure pass teams run the same two passes all day on rookie is boring... or give us a tactic to not watch for the run at all

in actual real football, play action effectiveness isn't effected by rushing effectiveness at all. Studies have been done.

Originally posted by Kayoh
in actual real football, play action effectiveness isn't effected by rushing effectiveness at all. Studies have been done.

who did those? as a former player... getting your ass kicked up the middle for awhile you're jumping that run... if you run a play action down by 31st nobody is biting... however a draw would gain you some yards

Could it be tied to situations? 3rd and short PA should be more effective than 3rd and long

Originally posted by Kayoh

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/can-nfl-coaches-overuse-play-action-they-havent-yet/
https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/18/nfl-analytics-study-running-the-ball-play-action-success-mike-mccarthy-dallas-cowboys/


So the thought process is because they have it engraved in their brains to stop the run then they automatically bite on all playactions with a pass team...

I see raw data... but since we are going with NFL teams i would be curious to see total, yards, completions, ypa for these teams as well as their attempts per game and ypc on the ground. AND THEN i would need to know how many of these big plays or shut down plays were against formidable competition, who was the qb who was the rb who was the receivers and against what defense? Was it the browns defense getting shellacked while the numbers were brought down by the leagues elite? Just if you want to go into pure statistics i need all the variables not one guys systematic approach. I assure you, when people played hawaii back in the days not a damn player bit on a playaction. you have to sustain or at least show you're gonna run the ball to have any success. According to the logic here we just need a focus for our players either they focus on rush defense or pass defense for a major awareness boost/loss.

Originally posted by vipermaw82
I'm pretty sure i saw when they first announced it that running adds to the effect of PA. My suggestion is do what the old College football games did... make you utilize the run linked to that PA to even be remotely effective... watching pure pass teams run the same two passes all day on rookie is boring... or give us a tactic to not watch for the run at all

PA is tied to the amount of inside runs you make. Main reason its so effective in Rookie is because people don't invest in pursuit like they should early on. Well that, and poor awareness too.

Agreed. So many keep pursuit low on defense players, trying to get physical abilities up. PA is almost useless come Journeyman season

How effective is PA again cover 2?

Flood Weak is very risky and can end up in 8 yard sacks and strip sacks. If people know you call it and they don’t account for it they are going to have a bad day. With the changes to 2TE defensive playbooks it should be easier than ever to stop.

That change, adding to 1 WR defenses, makes such a huge difference

Originally posted by Kayoh
in actual real football, play action effectiveness isn't effected by rushing effectiveness at all. Studies have been done.

Im a titans fan and I disagree

Originally posted by vipermaw82
So the thought process is because they have it engraved in their brains to stop the run then they automatically bite on all playactions with a pass team...

I see raw data... but since we are going with NFL teams i would be curious to see total, yards, completions, ypa for these teams as well as their attempts per game and ypc on the ground. AND THEN i would need to know how many of these big plays or shut down plays were against formidable competition, who was the qb who was the rb who was the receivers and against what defense? Was it the browns defense getting shellacked while the numbers were brought down by the leagues elite? Just if you want to go into pure statistics i need all the variables not one guys systematic approach. I assure you, when people played hawaii back in the days not a damn player bit on a playaction. you have to sustain or at least show you're gonna run the ball to have any success. According to the logic here we just need a focus for our players either they focus on rush defense or pass defense for a major awareness boost/loss.

Not only that, but the second one's correlation lines seem off. If you look at the actual dots they tend to have a more upward trend in general than those superimposed lines suggest. I'd wager it's how the program is reading the outliers and weighing them.