Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Corndog
Not sure how to "fix" that rather than having deep coverage or underneath coverage. Once the CB breaks the backpedal, he is inherently sacrificing short routes. That's even true in real football.

If anything, it's probably some dynamic between the QB and receiver that makes underthrown streak routes so prevalent in GLB2, compared to actual football. The QB tries to find the ideal spot where the CB can't get to the ball but the receiver can. What's probably broken is the ability for receivers to detect where the ball is going almost immediately, and then adjust and catch it, essentially turning every play into a dynamic comeback route that the receiver can always execute at the perfect time.

QB read pattern should probably have a more pronounced teardrop pattern, and receivers should probably have slower prediction ability to an arbitrary pass location compared to the route hot spot.

In real life the whole point of a cutback is that the QB and receiver have both done it a million times so the timing is going to be perfect and it's impossible to react to if you are running with the WR, you have to see the QB loading up and notice the WR cutting back on the ball which means still being on the backpedal, which means a much higher footwork. This is why unless it's a zone concept - where receivers don't cut back so much as just try to find a hole in the zone and sit in it, though it is drawn up like a cutback - cutbacks occur around 10 yards upfield, so hopefully the DB has to have given up on the backpedal by then.

Piggybacking in this footwork topic. Will high footwork and low Sprint produce a player who can backpedal and sidestep faster than he can sprint?

I haven't figured out how to have a CB not get majorly burned on play action yet. I had guys with 70-80 pursuit still get regularly roasted.

Originally posted by Bretto007
I haven't figured out how to have a CB not get majorly burned on play action yet. I had guys with 70-80 pursuit still get regularly roasted.

Personally it was when I took my OG Sooners CBS to 60 pursuit is when they quit getting burned (maybe onceeeee in awhile but think we also got lucky with some timely drops). I know we lost our rookie championship game because of 3 PA plays getting burned on. Granted of course it depends on the (I think, I’m on mobile so not flipping through pages) leadership too of the opposing QB. Haven’t looked too many QBs but maybe there’s a point where a high enough leadership can trump the pursuit? 🤷‍♂️ I love these theorycrafting topics going on though

After a small amount of testing it appears that footwork speed is tied to sprint for cap speed

Originally posted by Raid
Seriously good advice in here, I still don't get how both of you think footwork helps you turn though. I've done experiments with 70 footwork and 20 quickness and they turn like a barge.

Footwork helps you backpedal longer which is super advantageous, it helps you make adjustments on the ball by subtly changing the direction of travel while running. It's more important than quickness for a DB, but it's not what makes you turn - quickness does for sure.

Balance also helps in all regards up to a certain point, harder cuts with more quickness require more balance to make up for them, so keeping footwork and balance both up a bit above quickness is excellent advice.

It depends on the turn.

We know this because HBs with low Footwork have issues running Counter plays.

Turns where you are moving forward need Quickness.
Turns where you are moving backward need Footwork.

For a CB, Footwork > Quickness. If you’re running straight back and then move to running an angle while moving backward, the turn is a Balance and Footwork Check.

Man CBs need more Footwork than Quickness while Zone CBs need less (but should probably still have Footwork > Quickness, just not as pronounced).

Why does the Signature Ability Cover Expert give a benefit to Quickness and not Footwork? This implies that the makers of the game value Quickness over Footwork for the CB position.

Originally posted by Bretto007
Why does the Signature Ability Cover Expert give a benefit to Quickness and not Footwork? This implies that the makers of the game value Quickness over Footwork for the CB position.



You mean the same people that had the “Balance bug” for 25 seasons?

Again it depends on where in the Turn you are as to which you need. Both are valuable. But the real issues is in a build with constraints, what’s the proper allocation to each.

Too many thought process discuss these topics in absolute terms yet the what separates the builds is when someone properly understands / discusses the concepts in regards to a constrained environment.

So, Man CBs are always going backwards on Passing plays because the best Passing plays are 10+ Yard routes that are Go/Post/Flag types. So the CB is backpedaling using Footwork while the WR uses Quickness / Sprinting / Conditioning.

A key point is this: The more Footwork the CB has the longer the CB uses Footwork and not Quickness.

Originally posted by Xars
You mean the same people that had the “Balance bug” for 25 seasons?

Again it depends on where in the Turn you are as to which you need. Both are valuable. But the real issues is in a build with constraints, what’s the proper allocation to each.

Too many thought process discuss these topics in absolute terms yet the what separates the builds is when someone properly understands / discusses the concepts in regards to a constrained environment.

So, Man CBs are always going backwards on Passing plays because the best Passing plays are 10+ Yard routes that are Go/Post/Flag types. So the CB is backpedaling using Footwork while the WR uses Quickness / Sprinting / Conditioning.

A key point is this: The more Footwork the CB has the longer the CB uses Footwork and not Quickness.

And this is why I love Xars....his explanation is spot on. CBs that can stay in backpedal longer you will see break on the ball A LOT better. Which makes complete sense being they are facing the QB when the ball is thrown rather than having their back to the QB. Now based on this explanation, you should be able to infer that if your footwork is high enough to react properly, having good quickness will allow you to get to full speed of sprinting even faster. Thus, reaction to the ball in air would then be optimal.

Hell someone run an experiment and take your footwork and quickness high as shit. instead of taking man awareness to 90+ as I do, take it to like 50. See if you CBs start to make better plays on the ball.