Why does this not show up in stats as a PD, and what's the difference?
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MadCow420
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it might not be a deflection, I looked at it like being able to fight for the ball.
JokersChaos
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Why isn't it a drop?
What skill helps avoid it?
Would it be receiving Consistency then?
What skill helps avoid it?
Would it be receiving Consistency then?
atlbruce
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Originally posted by canterob
Why isn't it a drop?
What skill helps avoid it?
Would it be receiving Consistency then?
^ Right. If it doesn't count as a PD for the defender, shouldn't it count as a drop for the receiver?
Why isn't it a drop?
What skill helps avoid it?
Would it be receiving Consistency then?
^ Right. If it doesn't count as a PD for the defender, shouldn't it count as a drop for the receiver?
Valtookan
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Originally posted by atlbruce
^ Right. If it doesn't count as a PD for the defender, shouldn't it count as a drop for the receiver?
I was really confused about this topic but never asked about it. Yet I think I figured it out for myself now, and it really makes sense.
If I was asking, I would want examples.
A pass deflection is just that. When the defender deflects the pass away from the intended receiver BEFORE the intended receiver can touch the airborne football.
Pass Deflection Examples:
Unable to secure the ball due to nearby defense (I call it Pass Defensed; or Pass Defended)
This is when the WR has TOUCHED the football but the CB plays SOME ROLE in making sure the WR can not make the completion.
You may be wondering how this could happen as balls are thrown low, high, to the left, to the right. I have examples for you.
Pass Deflection Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhtfaME_v0Y
(Pure Definition right here)
Pass Defended Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sYg7QCPeZs (Low Ball Position)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ed52KLps6U (High ball and PRIME Examples) (I'm using William Jackson Tape because he led the NCAA in this stuff last year AND I'm a Bengals fan)
Let's start at 0:48 because before then is just INT's and TD returns. In this first play he is targeted on a deep ball and breaks up the pass at THE LAST POSSIBLE MOMENT. Even the announcer recognizes this. This was NOT a deflection, this was WJ3 messing with the WR whilst going for the football to force the incomplete pass.
At 1:02 we have a deflection into a somewhat ball control drop. He hits the ball before the WR can get it. 1:11 IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF A PASS DEFENSED/DEFENDED! This is what happens when you see the CB sliding where he doesn't seem like he was near the ball. He is holding on the the WR and riding him when the ball just gets there. Not the clearest example, gonna find more.
1:25 is amazingly good! The ball is coming towards the WR so Jackson goes in between his hands to prevent a catch from being made.
Finally 2:28 is good as you see him preventing the catch, but 2:30 and especially it's slow motion is the best! You see the WR made a caught it in his hands but never got possession because WJ3 messed with the football pushing his arm and the football to break up the play. 3:01 also shows the receiver kind of had it but Jackson prevented him from completely possessing the pass. This is what is happening to your Receiver or what your Defensiveback is doing.
I hope you understand this better now and will now be able to better address any problems you see with your player. Enjoy GLB!
^ Right. If it doesn't count as a PD for the defender, shouldn't it count as a drop for the receiver?
I was really confused about this topic but never asked about it. Yet I think I figured it out for myself now, and it really makes sense.
If I was asking, I would want examples.
A pass deflection is just that. When the defender deflects the pass away from the intended receiver BEFORE the intended receiver can touch the airborne football.
Pass Deflection Examples:
Unable to secure the ball due to nearby defense (I call it Pass Defensed; or Pass Defended)
This is when the WR has TOUCHED the football but the CB plays SOME ROLE in making sure the WR can not make the completion.
You may be wondering how this could happen as balls are thrown low, high, to the left, to the right. I have examples for you.
Pass Deflection Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhtfaME_v0Y
(Pure Definition right here)
Pass Defended Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sYg7QCPeZs (Low Ball Position)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ed52KLps6U (High ball and PRIME Examples) (I'm using William Jackson Tape because he led the NCAA in this stuff last year AND I'm a Bengals fan)
Let's start at 0:48 because before then is just INT's and TD returns. In this first play he is targeted on a deep ball and breaks up the pass at THE LAST POSSIBLE MOMENT. Even the announcer recognizes this. This was NOT a deflection, this was WJ3 messing with the WR whilst going for the football to force the incomplete pass.
At 1:02 we have a deflection into a somewhat ball control drop. He hits the ball before the WR can get it. 1:11 IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF A PASS DEFENSED/DEFENDED! This is what happens when you see the CB sliding where he doesn't seem like he was near the ball. He is holding on the the WR and riding him when the ball just gets there. Not the clearest example, gonna find more.
1:25 is amazingly good! The ball is coming towards the WR so Jackson goes in between his hands to prevent a catch from being made.
Finally 2:28 is good as you see him preventing the catch, but 2:30 and especially it's slow motion is the best! You see the WR made a caught it in his hands but never got possession because WJ3 messed with the football pushing his arm and the football to break up the play. 3:01 also shows the receiver kind of had it but Jackson prevented him from completely possessing the pass. This is what is happening to your Receiver or what your Defensiveback is doing.
I hope you understand this better now and will now be able to better address any problems you see with your player. Enjoy GLB!
atlbruce
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Valtookan, thanks for that, but it doesn't really address the issue in GLB2. When a receiver is "unable to secure the ball due to nearby defense," shouldn't it statistically count as a PD for the defender or as a drop for the receiver? As of right now, it's nothing, which doesn't seem right.
jakedood
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There is a stat for defenders, stating receptions allowed and how many total times that defender has been targeted
dbill
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If the defender bats the ball while in the air its a deflection
If the defender defends it by knocking it out when the receiver has it in his hands and it would be a catch it would be pass broken up. Plays broken up do not count as a deflection or as a drop as it was knocked out not dropped. At least thats how real football works in stats
Broken up plays i think are shown as defended in real stats line. It would count all throws at him that where not caught. Even the deflections count. Deflections is the extra stat
If the defender defends it by knocking it out when the receiver has it in his hands and it would be a catch it would be pass broken up. Plays broken up do not count as a deflection or as a drop as it was knocked out not dropped. At least thats how real football works in stats
Broken up plays i think are shown as defended in real stats line. It would count all throws at him that where not caught. Even the deflections count. Deflections is the extra stat
Valtookan
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Originally posted by atlbruce
Valtookan, thanks for that, but it doesn't really address the issue in GLB2. When a receiver is "unable to secure the ball due to nearby defense," shouldn't it statistically count as a PD for the defender or as a drop for the receiver? As of right now, it's nothing, which doesn't seem right.
Jakedood is right. That is the stat for it.
Kinda of relating to what dbill said, in real life WR's have Rec/Targets but the 30 they didn't catch aren't all drops. Only 3 or 5 or something will be drops while another stat will be "Catchable Targets"(C-Tar). So Rec/C-Tar tells you how good that WR is, and (Targets-Incompletions by the QB)-CTar equals the stuff which is defended by the CB. So just look at a CB's rec allowed vs targets to see how good they are.
Valtookan, thanks for that, but it doesn't really address the issue in GLB2. When a receiver is "unable to secure the ball due to nearby defense," shouldn't it statistically count as a PD for the defender or as a drop for the receiver? As of right now, it's nothing, which doesn't seem right.
Jakedood is right. That is the stat for it.
Kinda of relating to what dbill said, in real life WR's have Rec/Targets but the 30 they didn't catch aren't all drops. Only 3 or 5 or something will be drops while another stat will be "Catchable Targets"(C-Tar). So Rec/C-Tar tells you how good that WR is, and (Targets-Incompletions by the QB)-CTar equals the stuff which is defended by the CB. So just look at a CB's rec allowed vs targets to see how good they are.
dbill
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Originally posted by Valtookan
Jakedood is right. That is the stat for it.
Kinda of relating to what dbill said, in real life WR's have Rec/Targets but the 30 they didn't catch aren't all drops. Only 3 or 5 or something will be drops while another stat will be "Catchable Targets"(C-Tar). So Rec/C-Tar tells you how good that WR is, and (Targets-Incompletions by the QB)-CTar equals the stuff which is defended by the CB. So just look at a CB's rec allowed vs targets to see how good they are.
Yeah. If i remember right the WR with the most drops last year had like 14 all season. Drops areonly open on target throws they drop themselves in real life
Jakedood is right. That is the stat for it.
Kinda of relating to what dbill said, in real life WR's have Rec/Targets but the 30 they didn't catch aren't all drops. Only 3 or 5 or something will be drops while another stat will be "Catchable Targets"(C-Tar). So Rec/C-Tar tells you how good that WR is, and (Targets-Incompletions by the QB)-CTar equals the stuff which is defended by the CB. So just look at a CB's rec allowed vs targets to see how good they are.
Yeah. If i remember right the WR with the most drops last year had like 14 all season. Drops areonly open on target throws they drop themselves in real life
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