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I'm just curious to know, if I'm looking at a CB's stats, what's a good RecAll/Times Targeted ratio? Any general rule of thumb? Or am I oversimplifying things with this question, and it's really too difficult to say?

I would say something like this :
70% is meh
60% is what I would call acceptable
50% is good
40% is great
30% is godlike

But yeah there is so many factors that putting things this way is oversimplyfying, the opponents you face and how the rest of his defense behave play a huge role in the stats a CB have.

50% is average
45% is good
40% is amazing

Definitely oversimplifying. The two biggies for me:

Is your CB playing 1 on 1's?
Is your CB frequently manning up against Superstar receivers?

The reality is that when comparing CBs, you have to compare builds and visual replays versus a stat line. I'll give you an example. For my team, I use a group of rather balanced CBs. These are CBs that have run defense and pass defense skills. One of my other CBs is a more traditional pass defense type CB. He's got double digit+ more points in coverage tech, deflection, etc. Clearly the better coverage defender. For this reason, I tend to float him around my depth chart to be matched with the opponent's best/most frequently passed to receiver.

If I was just comparing receptions allowed/targets, I would see this.

CB1: 52 targets/19 receptions allowed/8 pass deflections - "63.5% passes successfully defended"
CB2: 32 targets/11 receptions allowed/5 pass deflections - "65.6% passes successfully defended"

On paper, just looking at the statline, CB1 is "worse" than CB2. I'd say "hey, I need to get CB2 more snaps". That's not the case though when you realize CB1 is the coverage CB who is matching up against the superstar receivers and better receivers in general. CB2 is getting his statline buffed from situations where he's covering bottom of the roster receivers, even the occasional HB.

Ya - I think it is too complicated to really gauge anything (and too random).

Looking at two of mine -their completion percentage given up since season 2:

#1: 42 / 51 / 48 / 57 / 52 / 43 / 39 (this season and it is early).

#2: 51 / 50 / 43 / 36 / 47 / 47 / 50


A pretty wide range there.

Yep plenty of factors, it also matters who is playing who. CB2 playing against screens can have terrible numbers. CB3 has to guard the best routes, CB1 is usually guarding the worse routes, etc.

under 50% is my goal

Pretty impossible and kinda meaningless statistic. It calculates you just being around a catch/no catch. Whether you are actually manned up on the opponent or not. Plus whether you are playing against Superstars or not is also a huge deal. You basically should just watch games and if you are man up on an opponent and aren't stopping him from catching the ball you need to get better in whatever way you possibly can.

And what kind of receiver you are up against. If you are getting burned by a superstar speedster at a 30% rate, those are going to lead to a ton of scores.

If you are giving up a lot of HB dump passes that get eaten up for no yards, it may look like you are giving up a 75% rate, but those are passes you don't mind giving up.

Originally posted by bhall43
Pretty impossible and kinda meaningless statistic. It calculates you just being around a catch/no catch. Whether you are actually manned up on the opponent or not. Plus whether you are playing against Superstars or not is also a huge deal. You basically should just watch games and if you are man up on an opponent and aren't stopping him from catching the ball you need to get better in whatever way you possibly can.

I don't think the first part of that is true. I think it's whether or not you're assinged the target as a M2M target.

Zone defenders finish a season at 0/0 receptions allowed/targets if they never run a M2M play. A FS letting a HB catch a pass across the field before he even has a chance to get close to the play though will get a Rec Allowed if it's his M2M target.

Originally posted by Galithor
I don't think the first part of that is true. I think it's whether or not you're assinged the target as a M2M target.

Zone defenders finish a season at 0/0 receptions allowed/targets if they never run a M2M play. A FS letting a HB catch a pass across the field before he even has a chance to get close to the play though will get a Rec Allowed if it's his M2M target.

Possibly. Though even still. If you are a LB in the middle of the field and running towards the sidelines to help cover that WR. You are charged with that catch or not catch despite not even getting the chance to do anything on the play. Take william88's LB the other day he was talking about his LB being OP'd this season with a 2 for 7 ratio. But if you actually watched his replays the only 2 times he was actually man up on anyone he gave up a catch. The other 5 were just him running towards where the pass was and having almost no effect on the play at all.

Idk I've had a CB play safety and he had targeted/allowed more often at safety than CB (double coverage). Also Targ/Allowed is kind of busted because I went and counted a CB some games and the numbers don't really add up. It could just be a positioning thing but there have been games where its something like 12/5 and I don't even know where the 12 came from.

Edit: This is my good CB (so far). He was ranked #4 in the HOF at pro last season. Got to #4 from INTs and a good ratio (I think that counts in HOF?) but he didn't have as many PD as you'd like from a CB. So the Tar/All isn't hugely important.
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