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First of all let me point out that I am NOT trying to initiate any type of debate

I would just like to have an explanation of the huge talent gap between some of the teams in this league

I'm not complaining because my team at least scored

But I placed a completely run positioned defense in both my playbook and tactics… no pass defense tendency what so ever

Results: Steamrolled by the run

Again let me say this is a totally honest to goodness info needed only question

Please don't throw sarcasm or condescending remarks into this post

Thanks!

Well I think you might have GLB confused with real football - and that would be a mistake.

Just because a play says 'LB outside contain' you can't expect it to do that. In most cases plays in GLB operate exactly opposite of how they logically should work. It's like you think blitzing would be good against the pass too right? Not.

Anything after that is all builds (yours and the team you are playing) and luck of the draw for how your rolls roll.

Well I'm guessing this post is due to your game against the Beers.

Let's take this play as an example: http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/133431/553440

While in the NFL a Goal Line formation is used near the actual Goal Line, in GLB2 it's used for QB Rollout.

So in this case, you need a different play selection.

What glwarriors mentioned above is also correct: you need builds to stop the run. This means at least a CB2 with very high Break Run Block, Pursuit, Tackling Tech, Power Tackling, etc. Frankly, you need more than one.

I'd scout games where a team's Offense was held in check and look at the play selection used against them. At least that will solve the play dilemma. If you're still unsuccessful at that point, then it's a build issue.

My def plays were chosen according to O formations and tendencies per down and yardage

So I'm pretty sure that it does come down to builds

That being said, is it common to see same level players but with vastly superior builds?

I see the Beers creaming everyone they face which brings me to my original question about the builds

I have a WR that is max'ed out as far as training and I concentrated on speed but it took me well beyond level 10 to get a 4.54 forty

Yet I see a halfback on the Beers within the mid 4 second range at level 10

I guess all I want to know is two things…

1) How did he get that fast so soon and…

2) Aren't teams normally grouped more evenly matched than this?

I seriously don't care that I got my lunch eaten, but I would like to understand this lop sided venue

Also, I do realize that this is not like real football… I merely take what is given and hope it works without any expectations

But I also know that those of you that have been around and experienced the ups and downs, now realize the whats and whys

And on top of that I get that the things you learn may give you an advantage wherein you can't divulge certain knowledge

I do appreciate the advice so far, but it only led me to ask more questions and I'm sorry for that

Humor me please :-)

Originally posted by meecorp
My def plays were chosen according to O formations and tendencies per down and yardage

So I'm pretty sure that it does come down to builds

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Humor me please :-)

Ok let's start with point #1.

You're wrong. Sugar coating it isn't going to help you. That D play call was horrible. Trying to pass it off by inane logic only leads you down the road of misery. You don't match the "formation". You match the strength of the O play called. Having 11 guys in the box against a QB rollout is the wrong call. If the QB gets to the edge, he's gone. You had no one protecting the edge, since everyone was bunched in the middle. Once you start making the right play call THEN you can evaluate builds.

Go ahead and look at LogZilla - Beers games in S6 and S7 and you won't see those play calls. You also won't see me giving up 100+ points to the Beers either.

Xars is correct. You may be a bit defensive about how he pointed it out to you - which is only natural, but he is merely trying to point out that you are making incorrect assumptions about the things you are doing so far.

Like he says - watch PBP and evaluate what works and what doesn't - that starts with plays but also has to account for builds that make those plays work. Who knows - if you build your players a specific way you might even be able to get some of those plays you were running to work in those situations. Maybe. Add in the fact that the game is still being tweaked and who knows what will be hot in a season or two.

Meecorp watch the higher ranked teams in your league(same level because plays to change due to players getting older). They run the same plays game in and game out. Might have some small changes game to game, but for the most part everyone has there D and O they run.

Not sure good you are on a CPU. But this is a tool I use to help scout and its freehttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0B__B4dGZg5BOcGRqYmxNNDRFQjg/view?usp=sharing. It runs on google and not is own web page. But it tells you plays, %, and what is run on 1st,2n,3d ect..

Hold it guys I'm not being defensive

IMPORTANT!… This is what happens when the written word is interpreted how you may think I mean it and when can't hear me speak the words

So let's get in that mind set before people get out of hand

I'm not arguing… I'm asking questions for a better understanding so please treat it that way and not as if I think your wrong

I just may not get what you're suggesting because my knowledge/experience base is way below your level

It's extremely obvious all of you have been running a team or two for quite some time… I have not… and it shows

I think you are assuming I know more than I do

Xars, how can I be wrong when I'm asking questions?

The build comment was me spitballing - not a rebuttal or assumption

I have no idea how to sugar coat something that doesn't make sense to me so my questions are sincere but naive… and you using the word "inane" does not help

I don't even know what PBP refers to, so that should show you where I'm sitting in this mess

I said up front I wasn't debating this but rather need to have an explanation that I understand

I don't know how to make the "right play call" according to what the O play is

I placed run oriented defenses against the opponent in my playbook and rated my % of tendencies to the run in the tactics

I have never followed the game in progress so I might be seeing this all wrong in how an admin controls the team within the game playing

I might be not even be on square one here so maybe there is a tutorial video I need to watch

Judging by what you are writing here, we may be talking about two different things and that's why we are not connecting

So, if there is a starting point - because much of this sounds beyond where I am - that would be very much appreciated

And if it can be explained to me in a non condescending way by someone who can be patient with my concerns, again, I would be grateful

Thank you Joe and glwarriors for your simple advice you offered

PBP is Play By Play - as in watching the sim to see every play, which becomes a lot more informative once you click the little tab in the lower right hand corner of the screen so you can see what plays are called. If you haven't been doing this you need to as this is how we all learn what works and what doesn't in this game.

Just in case you don't know where to find the play by play it will be right in the middle under the box score banner when you click on box for any completed game.

Hope this helps and don't be too discouraged if you don't get a ton more help in this forum - we all sort of had to learn things on our own through trial and error, so you can understand why most won't just hand out tips in forums.

Thanks

This is a good start

I completely understand the reasoning behind your advice on the "hand out"

Appreciate your time and patients

If you need more info onhow to run the scouting tool. PM dont want to clog this forum with it. But its very easy..

Meecorp, your first post:


Originally posted by meecorp
First of all let me point out that I am NOT trying to initiate any type of debate

I would just like to have an explanation of the huge talent gap between some of the teams in this league

I'm not complaining because my team at least scored

But I placed a completely run positioned defense in both my playbook and tactics… no pass defense tendency what so ever

Results: Steamrolled by the run

Again let me say this is a totally honest to goodness info needed only question

Please don't throw sarcasm or condescending remarks into this post

Thanks!

Are the bolded, italicized parts of the above a question? In my view, no. I have a pretty firm grasp of the English language and those aren't questions. It's presumption. You asked your question AFTER you made significant PRESUMPTIONS.

I replied with:

Originally posted by Xars
So in this case, you need a different play selection.

I'm sorry but I don't know how to state that in a nicer way on a forum board.

Originally posted by meecorp

My def plays were chosen according to O formations and tendencies per down and yardage

So I'm pretty sure that it does come down to builds

Again, not a question. PRESUMPTION. You then ask questions based on a flawed PRESUMPTION.

Originally posted by meecorp
Xars, how can I be wrong when I'm asking questions?

You're not JUST asking questions. You're making MAJOR FLAWED PRESUMPTIONS (and then asking questions from the wrong viewpoint). I tried to answer you politely, but you resisted.

I've helped numerous people in this game. I'm an open book with LogZilla Boys and WH - my two teams.

I've posted my Playbook so that everyone knows what it is. When I changed my playbook in the middle of S7, I posted the new playbook on the forums and I emailed my next opponent so that he'd know it too.

So here's the real answer to all your posts:

Most people in this game think that there are "better builds" than others. You'll hear "fix your builds" from everyone. You'll hear it from top of the Ladder people all the way to the bottom.

Except from me. There are no better builds. It's a fallacy.

There is only one thing: Utilizing your roster resources (slots/salary cap) to build players that match your playbook on O and D.

If you succeed, your team wins. If not, it losses.

There is not best build and there are no better builds.
There are only builds that you maximize in effectiveness through play calling.

Xars is a good guy. I think both just got off on the wrong foot. Meecrop I know how you feel most have been there. Everything Xars has said is right just maybe taken the wrong way. Not a DOC so not even going to try and read in to all that stuff. Thats between y'all..THE one thing I will say I think he is way wrong is The build thing. Now not like GLB 1 you can build multiple ways and win not like GLB1. Cookie cutter all the way. There are some builds that just work much better. Unfortunately I don't know that build just yet.

advice look over xars team. It will give you a better understanding on HOW to build even if you dont like him.. It would do you team some good. And think small spreading does not work. Only thing like GLB1

Originally posted by joe
There are some builds that just work much better.

Yep. Part of it is GLB2 to blame.

Every skill has a cost to go to the next level and this costs increases as you add more points to a skill.
This cost takes in consideration your initial attributes, your traits and your position.

Want to built a Power Runner WR? Good luck, because for every point you spend on Power Running, a HB is going to add one and a half.

Whenever an user creates a player, he must keep in mind that whatever crazy idea he gets will be punished by the system, even if you get maximum strength and all traits to minimize Power Running's cost, your WR will still pay 50% more.

Another example? Kick Returner. People usually create either WRs or HBs. Sprinting is 10% cheaper for WRs ,a base 3.4 skill, they have the same Elusive Running cost and still some people create HBs as KRs. Once I heard due to Carrying Grip, 40% more expensive on WRs, but a base 1 skill. Therefore, in my opinion, it is a better deal to create your KR as an WR.

Understanding how the cost escalates per position is really, really important to comprehend how to perfect your builds.