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Originally posted by USC_Trojans
except we have s* safeties and a S* cb that are built to contain the outside run. one of our cbs already almost has 50 break run block.

Hopefully shed block gets that boost it needs because 50+ brb hasn't exactly netted me anything special. Plus max balance and hold ground.

Originally posted by USC_Trojans
For now. Eventually our safties will be able to cover and then teams will be doomed. I mean lester is sitting at a 38% recpetion against rate and will only get better.

I'm looking forward to the experiment. Nice to see someone break the "GLB2 Cookie Cutter Builds" BS.

Though personally, I don't see how your S* FS/SS are ever going to excel in Man coverage against pure pass teams. S* WR/TEs that are all pass spec'd will have an edge, though maybe not a dominating one.

With me having a S* WR and Default having a S* TE, I'll be curious to see how it plays out over the seasons.

Originally posted by USC_Trojans
except we have s* safeties and a S* cb that are built to contain the outside run. one of our cbs already almost has 50 break run block.

One? Ok I kind of had to laugh.

My CBs had that before Rookie ended. http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/97494

EDIT: Bah, screw it. I've been running with open S* builds, but it's my team so here's a nod to full transparency. All players should be open. Doing it on WH too.

Originally posted by Xars

EDIT: Bah, screw it. I've been running with open S* builds, but it's my team so here's a nod to full transparency. All players should be open. Doing it on WH too.



Same here. In also don't run any private scrims because we are all learning from each other here. Plus there's not much your build's show that scouting doesn't. Everyone should show off their builds IMO.

Originally posted by Aeir
Pump Fake only affects defenders in zone coverage.
Head Fake only affects defenders in man coverage.

What I'm saying doesn't really hold water, it's just me spewing forth illogical assumptions about man awareness effecting the effectiveness of the pass defense, while in zone coverage.

The issue about Man Base is that however many WRs there are, there are 1 defender to cover them each...and the rest fall into a zone. (this is where pump fake can look like it's affecting man defenders)

So when you have a 4WR pass play, and a 6DB coverage scheme, the 4WRs each get covered in man to man coverage by 1 player and the rest of the defenders drop off into a zone. Which since it's a man-based coverage shouldn't be the case...they should all be in man to man, even if a WR has 2 defenders on him.

They also suck because they aren't typically made for a zone...if the DC calls a man base D

Here's a ROLB in zone coverage eating a pump fake, and then a headfake for his troubles, after the initial stun wears off. http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/127493/2335451

Based off the tool tip, it can be assumed zone aware also defends the head fake and other elusive checks while in cover tech mode (tracking). So essentially zone coverage defenses have 2 ways to get F-'ed instead of 1. A huge disadvantage to a scheme that people already feel like is behind to start.

I think WG should nerf the stun on coverage fakes to a speed reduction, or a snare, rather than a flat out disable/stun. At higher tiers with as little as 40-50 pass power there's no way for a defender to re-accelerate or recover from such a drastic lost check. Passing is already so strong and there's too few plays where QB's are looking further into checkdowns and throwing to hot routes. If they don't want to nerf passing, this would be a good start.

Originally posted by Xars
One? Ok I kind of had to laugh.

My CBs had that before Rookie ended. http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/97494

EDIT: Bah, screw it. I've been running with open S* builds, but it's my team so here's a nod to full transparency. All players should be open. Doing it on WH too.

Keep in mind we basically run with 2 cbs at all times and i got an experiment im running with mine so only 1. Obviously the safeties have run stopping abilities so that accounts for our entire secondary.

Originally posted by Xars
I'm looking forward to the experiment. Nice to see someone break the "GLB2 Cookie Cutter Builds" BS.

Though personally, I don't see how your S* FS/SS are ever going to excel in Man coverage against pure pass teams. S* WR/TEs that are all pass spec'd will have an edge, though maybe not a dominating one.

With me having a S* WR and Default having a S* TE, I'll be curious to see how it plays out over the seasons.



Theres a reason they are s*, by the time they mature they will have the skills to cover as well as any corner. Not to mention we will have 5 separate 1 on 1 gold shed block senarios at all times. If the line cant hold up or the qb cant get the ball out fast enough then people will get held in and soon you got the hb or that te or both being pulled in which means the safety will have help in coverage most of the time.